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#1 Posted : 21 June 2007 09:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By KS-TI Hello All, I am currently looking at reviewing procedures and permits for live electrical works. This is for work within domestic properties replacing the fuse board and is re-active maintenance so could be emergency works. Would like comments and help and advice from people who may have knowledge on this subject, firstly on is it acceptable (staff are qualified and competent) to work on a live circuit including all proper precautions i.e. rubber matting, been informed (not looked into yet) that NEDL would need advance notice to terminate electrical supply and this is emergency repair work. Any other suggestions for a better practise of this work and would really appreciate copies of any procedures, documents, safe systems of work anyone has covering this. Regards KS
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#2 Posted : 21 June 2007 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins Why must this be live work KS? Could not the main supply fuse be removed? A
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#3 Posted : 21 June 2007 12:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By KS-TI According to the information I was fed, the main supple fuse is to do with local electricity company and other persons not in their employment are allowed to touch it. However the stance has now been took that these will come out and isolate system before our electricians can work on the fuse box and the compnay are willing to lose the clients work on this basis.
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#4 Posted : 21 June 2007 12:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hoskins When I was in construction the official method was to remove the old board, fit the new board and connect to the consumer's circuits. The new board was then wired into an output on the old one (30 amp circuit) temporarily. The supplier was called in to connect to the meter. In many cases though, your approach was used because of the hassle. I agree that it isn't your property. Make sure they re-apply a seal... A
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#5 Posted : 21 June 2007 13:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter I can't see how the replacement of an entire consumer unit would come within 'emergency work'. This should be a planned activity, indeed it should be part of an overall maintenance improvement strategy, perhaps to coincide with rewiring and other upgrade works? I am aware that historically electricians have unmade and remade the final connections from the incoming supply 'live', however the industry may have moved on since then. Temporary connection via one of the existing circuits is surely an unsafe practice in a modern home (consider cooker, washing machine and electric shower all on at once - not uncommon)?!
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#6 Posted : 21 June 2007 13:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By KS-TI Repairs are included in this as well. I agree industry standards have moved on but does not mean clients, contractors etc have and that is what the posting was about trying to adopt the best practise, which we now have in enforcing and ensuring that no live works (except for testing)will commence, this is obviously being followed by re-training to staff etc to ensure they understand this fully and realise the consequences (disciplinary/risk of injury to themselves) in non compliance. One thing I will say though on the subject is it is a shame that clients still are prepared to go to some one else who will dismiss safety for cost reasons.
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#7 Posted : 25 June 2007 13:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Garry Homer There is no need to carry out live work. If it is a real emergency - say the board is flashing and banging, then the electricity company will send out their emergency electrician to make safe by withdrawing the main fuse. The electricity company may permit your people to remove the main fuse to make safe and they will turn up to re-seal etc. You can take the responsibility yourself and pull the main fuse, re-seal and then tell the electricity company. The ear-ache you get from the electricity company is nothing compared to the grilling you could get in the courts for killing one of your staff. If the board is not flashing and banging or overheating, then it is not an emergency. The electricity companies charge about £25 to fit an isolating switch after the electricity meter. So safety can be cheap! Garry
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