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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Very little I would think
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Posted By Mike Draper
Not necessarily Bob.
Some EU countries already have in place legislation that defines competence criteria for OSH professionals in terms of actual qualifications, training and experience, along with specific requirements for organisations to have access to professional advice.
Introducing a European standard brings the UK one step closer to having a legally enforceable standard for OSH competence that matches up to the designation of CMIOSH/CFIOSH.
Non-chartered members would potentially find themselves in the position of either having to find a new career or having to address the competence question. (Not unlike the situation faced by many Planning Supervisors)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
It then depends on whether organisations will use non certificated persons for work. I rather think the answer will be YES, with very little reservation. Chartered status has not prevented employers taking on persons with relatively low qualifications to do work that IOSH would deem as within the sphere of a chartered professional.
Unless local government makes legislation such as that for regulated professions preventing non-registered people from using the title then nothing can be enforced.
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Posted By D. Hilton
Bob
what about when prospective employers start to require EuroSHM/CMIOSH deliberately or through misunderstanding?
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Posted By steve e ashton
The European Professional Certification Scheme questionnaire does not provide a ‘not sure’ or ‘don’t know’ option for the question ‘how much would you be willing to pay?’ IT SHOULD!
Until the benefits and processes etc are adequately defined and explained, any member indicating they would be willing to pay a specific amount is suggesting they would be willing to pay a known amount for an unknown product. This appears to be snake-oil salesman territory which I find abhorrent from my professional institution!
In my own case: I would be extremely concerned if the scheme came to be seen as
a)a money making scheme for IOSH (or anyone else) or;
b)a 'compulsory' qualification to practice (in all or any part of the EU or elsewhere) [And whilst this may not be the intent, it is almost inevitably how it will be interpreted in some quarters!] or;
c)a replacement for CMIOSH / CFIOSH or
d)another exclusion mechanism for people with other experience or qualifications (inc NEBOSH Certs / Enviro / OH / Ergonomists / BEBOH / fire / etc etc.
I'm not sure whether I like the idea of being a 'EURO safety crat' but I'm open to persuasion - what I have seen so far does not convince me.
Steve
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Posted By steve e ashton
so good I named me twice!
Duh...
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Posted By DRB
Unless you intend to practise throughout the EU I can't see any real benefit. Perhaps more info will come to light as time goes on
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Posted By Merv Newman
I'll watch this one with interest. I do work across the EU (anywhere they pay the right money) Brussels last week, Limoges this week and so on.
A few years ago some French safety (with University diplomas) people tried to persuade the government to adopt the official title and qualification of "preventeur" (I prefer "enabler" myself) but nothing came of it.
Phew.
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Posted By Richie
I consider Europe to be one big opportunity. I realise this leaves me somewhat adrift from the average UK citizen, but there you are.
A Pan-European certification standard seems like a good thing to me. Even though I am CMIOSH I am just about to complete my MSc, which I am studying towards in order to achieve a worldwide recognised standard in OSH.
I value the various level 6 Diplomas available, as well as similar level NVQs. The probem is they need such explanation outside of the UK that I felt I needed clarity in my credentials. This scheme will only add, I feel.
Just try getting work in Germany at the moment to see what I mean...
Ever the optimist,
Richie
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Posted By Jay Joshi
If one reads the details on the ENPOSHO website,
it also states that:-
There is still further work for ENSHPO to do on the implementation arrangements. It is hoped to finalize the scheme for the pan-European certification standard in 2008 and also to work on producing a technician level European standard in the near future.
There is no need for "concern" that the Tech IOSH grade members will have to seek an alternative career.
Last but not least, IOSH apprently plays a lead/influential role within ENPOSHO as it provides the secretriat and the vice chair.
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Posted By Mike Armstrong
is this the darren hilton that used to work at dukeries?
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Posted By D. Hilton
No never worked there
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