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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
We are constructing 200 mts of warehouse with the normal interior walls to create compartments for storeage, production, in / out.
Each compartment is accessed by a single doorway that will be used by forklifts and pedestrians. Its not a wide doorway and not suitable for fitting of barriers to create separation.
Advised and provided supporting documentation to the client that indicated that this was not such a good idea as it failed to conform to safe traffic routes. We need a door for pedestrians.
Client has vetoed the idea and one door is what will be.
Do I conclude that this is now the end of the matter and that the client has assumed the role of client / designer and as such all responsibility and outcomes down to the client
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Posted By Gff
Workplace regs Regulation 17
Guidance suggests that you should seprate vehicle and pedestrians by a kerb or barrier through such doorways as you describe.
you say "normal interior walls" what do you mean, timber stud, tennon stud, blockwork, brick work etc. depending on the structure it may be relativlt easu to install pedestrian access through partitions.
You only need to make sure you have advised them accordingly which you have
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Posted By J Knight
Hi Garry,
Yes indeed, looks very much as though the Clinet has opted to act as designer for this particular aspect; its down to them,
John
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Under CDM07 the designer has to meet the requirements of the workplace regs. There is no transitional arrangement for the implementation and thus even construction in progress has now to be designed to comply.
As a contractor notify both parties formally that the buidings do not meet the workplace regulations and request their solution, in writing. Strictly, if you simply do as is designed without formal response you could well be also liable.
Bob
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Posted By David G C
Agree with Bob…. formally inform the team about your concerns and request a solution.
CDM 2007 Reg 9 &11(5) refer to the workplace regulations the CDM coordinator should be consulting with the designers also the client asking how he/she intends to comply with regulation 17 of the Workplace regulations, organisation of traffic routes.
i hope this helps
Regards
David
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Posted By The toecap
If acting as the CDMC. I would include in the H&S file a document which states that a risk assessment must be carried out before coming into use for the first time. If not acting as the CDMC pehaps you would like to see a design risk assessment.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Toecap
If I was the CDM C I would be looking into how the design failure occurred to prevent it happening again! From my perspective something was overlooked by my systems.
I cannot see the HSE being particularly happy with a design that will not permit segregation of plant and people at what is known to be critical area - ie doorways. It would have been easy enough to make the openings larger or form a second doorway. Perhaps also the client is forgetting that he is also now making design decisions, as mentioned earlier.
From Garry's perspective he now needs to go into business protection mode while the initiators of the problem sort it out.
Bob
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Posted By David G C
Garry
keep us informed interesting to hear the final outcome on this matter, knowing what it should be.
Regards
David
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
Thanks lads,
Will keep you up to speed, its a big project ( well to me it is ).
Some of the problems stem from having a spanish owner, manyana,
Flew in yesterday to have a look. Which should be interesting because at the last meeting they could not agree on the location of the light switches.
Which is great because they are going to install 3 sunken delivery bays and we have no traffic plan for the exterior site.
This will be interesting as the incoming traffic will have to swing hard right to avoid the sunken bays and then avoid vehicles entering or exiting the sunken bays.
For the moment will jump one fence at a time and try to get the pedestrian doors.
garry
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Posted By CFT
Hi Gary
I go with Robert on this one, and in addition would reiterate that everything is fully documented with your minuted objections noted; further I would add exactly why I had brought this to their attention; assuming the worst that could happen is a collision or worse between a person and the FLT and any subsequent action that may be possible by enforcement. I believe, and this would be my interpretation of the current law rulings, that as long as you have made every attempt to get the client to adopt to your proposals then you would have fulfilled your commitment to this project. The fact that it could be likely to proceed as is, just shows how seriously they take the safety of the personnel working in the premises after practical completion.
Best of luck with it and I enjoyed the 'manyana' reference!
CFT
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
it has been decided by Manwell that the doors will not be fitted. Manwell has returned to Sunny Spain.
The company resident management team wanted doors but it was all to no avail.
Correspondance completed to all parties detailing concerns / regs / etc.
me thinks this will be the first of a few design whoopsies based on financial outcomes.
thanks Garry
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Posted By CFT
Well done Gary.
All the best to you.
CFT
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