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#1 Posted : 28 June 2007 13:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Steves1 I know the health effects of working with Isocyanates but: Is there a significant risk to employees that access a multi storey car park where contractors are applying Iso based paints (sprayed). Access is of short duration (10 minutes max per day), work area is not sealed off but is segregated by 25-30 metres, and car park has good "natural ventilation". No environmental monitoring conducted by contractors at the time but appropriate RPE and PPE was worn by them. Also as a precaution should we provide health screening for any of the employees who visited the site during the contractors works. (currently investigating ill health alleged due to above causation prior to me being employed, hence some of the vagueness)
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#2 Posted : 29 June 2007 19:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By b.devenney Hi Steve, Have you considered using a drager gas sampling pump. I believe if you check the paint MSDS , you will be able to purchase a general Isocynate gas sampling tube. This will confirm PPM in the atmosphere. Only use this for general guide!.
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#3 Posted : 30 June 2007 16:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman isocyantes are rather dodgy as they are "sensitisers" An exposed person may have little or no reaction to a first exposure but could react violently to a subsequent minor exposure way below the TLV And I have never considered Dragers to be accurate to more than +/-50% You need expert medical opinion. Merv
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#4 Posted : 30 June 2007 21:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin McAleer Totally agree with Merv, seek the advice from your medical practitioner, having seen the effects of exposure to Isocyantes, it takes years of a sufferers life even after a limited exposure time, the medics will help you in your Risk Assessment.
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#5 Posted : 02 July 2007 09:33:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson Don't be fooled by the distance mentioned. We have had a long term problem with spraying ships at height on dockland away from our premises and across a dual carriageway from a distance of nearly 400 metres, with pick up of stored grit and Isocyanate paint combined by wind conditions. In a nutshell, the firm have to fax us when they are spraying and have given our employees dust sheets for their cars to protect paintwork. When you see the damage done by paint on cars you think - M-mm, what's this doing long term to lungs? Ban it, you say, well, not so easy - we have had the local HSE officers, Environmental Agency personnel involved, out local MP, John Prescott, and because the shipbuilding safety law was never repealed from 1890 odd, we have no legal standing to stop them under current COSHH laws. They didn't spray Isocyanates at height in those days ! How can you practically prove that no paint is reaching the areas that your employees use to access your area of work? Maybe a static dose monitor with an Isocyanate capable detector head linked to a 24 / 7 chart recorder to prove any contamination of the access area ??
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#6 Posted : 02 July 2007 09:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Remember that it is also not just lungs. Isocyanates in contact with skin can cause allergic contact dermatitis and there is now evidence to indicate that respiratory sensitisation can occur from skin exposure. Chris
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