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#1 Posted : 04 July 2007 15:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Edward Deighan
Has anyone had experience in dealing with the transportation of acetylene, argon and oxygen in vans. What types of hazards are there and what type of controls should I be thinking about when kitting the van out. Has anyone carried out a risk assessment they could email me.
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#2 Posted : 04 July 2007 16:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mitch
Speak to your industrial gas supplier, they will provide training and advice for the handling, loading and transportation of cylinders.
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#3 Posted : 04 July 2007 16:59:00(UTC)
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Posted By shaun mckeever
Acetylene is extremely flammable and has a broad flammability range, approximately 2% - 80% in air. If the van has a fire then a 200m radius around the van will be cordoned off for 24hrs. This could be the motorway or it could mean evacuating residents, schools, factories etc within 200m of the van.
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#4 Posted : 04 July 2007 21:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mick154
Sorry I cannot give you a full answer but I’m just going out, but here are two links for any one that transports hazardous goods such as these, just on thing always carry gas bottles vertical and securely fastened to the side of the vehicle

http://www.opsi.gov.uk/s...007/uksi_20071573_en.pdf

the new The Carriage of Dangerous Goods and Use of Transportable Pressure Equipment Regulations 2007

and 2007 ADR
http://www.unece.org/tra...adr2007/07ContentsE.html

hope they help
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#5 Posted : 04 July 2007 21:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi
I presume you are referring to a few cylinders.

Refer to the BCGA free leaflet on :-
"Carriage of Gas Cylinders by Road in Cars, Van & Other Vehicles-Guidnace for Drivers at Work.

http://www.bcga.co.uk/pr.../publications/L12005.pdf

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#6 Posted : 05 July 2007 16:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Mace
Why do you carry these, what size are they, is there a better way to carry out the task.

Without knowing the above it is hard to help.

However, i would suggest that you speak to your supplier about the acetylene as it can be replaced in most circumstances with less volatile gases.

regards

Tony
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#7 Posted : 05 July 2007 21:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By ciara brennan
Hi

I think i can help you, im a Dangerous Goods Safety Advisor.

There is a rule of thumb here and that is if you are carrying less than 333Kg of gas you can do so without any special marks/labels/qualifications.

Acetylene is extremely flammable however it is usually transported in cylinders as a dissolved gas in acetone which acts as a shock absorber and keeps it safe.

if you are carrying more than 333kgs you will need to hold a vocational training certificate (commonly known as an ADR Licence) ad will need to display plates and placards on your vehicle.

Hope ive been of some help to you
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#8 Posted : 05 July 2007 21:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
I would definitely not carry any of the above in a van.

Apart from the obvious manual handling, and other safety hazards, and the necessary fire precautions and training requirement, think about the recent terrorist attacks whereby they had pressurised gas cylinders in the vehicles.

I should think anyone who carries such cylinders around now stands the risk of being arrested by the Police if they are the subject of the spot checks on the go at present.
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#9 Posted : 05 July 2007 21:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Crim
The HSE has issued a warning about transporting Acetylene cylinders - try their website for more information.
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#10 Posted : 06 July 2007 09:08:00(UTC)
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Posted By ciara brennan
hi all

i would just like to comment that gas cylinders are transported every day safely and without incident as are many other dangerous goods, there are regulations to assist the SAFE transport of such items. As long as gas cylinders are stowed correctly during the transport operation they will be no more hazardous than a gas canister sitting outside a caravan or in a welders workshop.

hope this helps take away some of the fear surrounding the transport of dangerous goods
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#11 Posted : 06 July 2007 13:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jay Joshi
Our role as safety advisors is to give advice that is "reasonably" practicable.

As long as the BCGA guidance is followed,it should be Okay. The guidance refers to specific requirements for vehicles that are not "open".

Yes, with raised security levels, carrying any type of potentially dangerous goods may attract additional security checks, but as long as there is documentation and its use is bona-fide, we should not become overly paranoid.
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#12 Posted : 06 July 2007 13:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gff
Agree with the above from ciara

This type of equipment is carried by all kinds of engineers e.g. refrigeration and air conditioning etc, everyday

I am in the industry and none of our engineers have been arrested as terrorists suspects as yet and we're based in Glasgow.

Also with them being stored and handling in accordance with the guidance and in line with the training provided non have caught fire out of the blue.
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#13 Posted : 06 July 2007 14:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karen Todd
Thought about using oxy/propane burning gear instead of oxy/acetylene?

KT
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#14 Posted : 07 July 2007 23:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Todd
Be very cautious..........

ADR Regulation 3.2.1, Table A, Column (7) states: " LQ0 - signifies that no exemption from the provisions of ADR exists for the dangerous goods packed in limited quantities "

Both Oxygen & Acetylene are LQ0...............

The ONLY possible exemption is if you transport oxy./ acetylene for your own personal use as an individual, ie, unconnected with ANY type of business activity.
Examples are Hobbyists, DIY enthusiasts, Classic car restorers, etc.
If this is the case, then the only regulation is common sense!

If your organisation is 'caught' transporting such substances connected with hire or reward
then you may have some explaining to do........

Hope this may help you........................
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#15 Posted : 08 July 2007 09:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By ciara brennan
Just to clarify what limited quantity means... its where something is transported using non un specification packaging, gas cylinders cant be transport under limited quantities as the packaging is what needs to be strong to contain the gas, therefore it will be fine.

if anyone has any questions about the adr regulations i will be happy to discuss in more detail.

hope this helps clear this up

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#16 Posted : 09 July 2007 08:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gff
With regards to the Note on exemption to the ADR

It was never mentioned that it was exempt, as ciara has stated the regulations require acetylene to be carried in a specific type of packaging.

If you store the cylinders as per guidance and they are of the type required for the gas then you would have no questions to answer
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