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#41 Posted : 16 July 2007 21:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By barry dodson Everyone seems to be worried about the health issues the fortnightly collections will bring. Have you thought about the abuse and violence this will bring to the bin crews as the councils want the crews to decide if the recycle bins are contaminated with domestic rubbish and if they are they are instructed not to collect them. They are also instructed not to collect any rubbish that is not contained in the wheelie bins so no extra bags!
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#42 Posted : 16 July 2007 23:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Derek Carpenter Its reasonable to say that human behaviour always plays a key role in the creation or solution of a problem. If everyone had a discipline many of the ideas on this forum might be achieved. Perceptions may prevail but reality will have the final word. Look at the litter in your town centres. Does this suggest any community spirit or regard for neighbours? Bin bags will be left to rot in some areas more than others. I sympathise with the collectors. I wonder if they were ever consulted? I think we can guess the answer. Bad feelings between collectors and residents will be inevitable i suspect.
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#43 Posted : 17 July 2007 08:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis I will have to say it again though that I will be more convinced of the need to do it when I know my council is being honest in its management of waste. If one takes composing for example. My own council requires cardboard and garden waste to be placed in the same bin as they claim to compost it. I do know however the site they use does not have composting facilities! Also the same vehicle collects the waste whichever week it is and I see remnants of the previous collections still there contaminating the waste - if it visible can one believe that the vehicle is actually being cleaned between collections? Round here if bags are left out the foxes and badgers usually open them up to check there is nothing of use. Bob
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#44 Posted : 17 July 2007 09:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By John J We have had fortnightly collection for over a year now and are so good we are being rewarded with a waste recycling centre 70yards away from residential property. Added to this 600+ heavy vehicle movements through already busy roads and you can undestand why re-cycling is loosing its popularity locally. Having said that I'm in favour of it but would move the plant 1/2m away to a rail terminal and bring everything by train. Thinking out of the box maybe we could employ heards of badgers and foxes is digest the food waste..
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#45 Posted : 17 July 2007 09:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By TomP Came accross this which i thought was very inciteful: “Consumers simply do not recognise that greenhouse gas emissions are generated from the cultivating, transporting, processing and storing of food before purchase and that, if food is thrown away, all this effort and environmental impact goes to waste too,” says Mark Barthel, WRAP’s special adviser. “We are much more sensitive to packaging waste than food waste with almost three-quarters of us agreeing that ‘discarded food packaging is a greater environmental issue than food thrown away.’” A decade of food deflation means the economic motivation to be careful with food has been eroded. Dick Searle, Packaging Federation chief executive, believes use-by dates may also need to be addressed as modern refrigeration and packaging techniques extend product shelf life longer than consumers are used to. Packaging consultant Terry Robins agrees: “Sell-by dates, too, are one of the biggest causes of food waste, because they are really only an indicator of when something is ‘past its best’, but people often take it to mean when something should be thrown away. So anything that can help use-by dates to be more accurate would be helpful.”
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#46 Posted : 17 July 2007 09:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Hewett For consideration, How many people would be willing to manage the waste that THEY PRODUCE responsibly and go to fortnightly collections if thier Council Tax bill was halved as a result?
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#47 Posted : 17 July 2007 09:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis I remember both my mother and grandmother checking things by sight and smell to judge their fitness for use and guess what I did not get ill from the food! We are all so scared of the politically correct messages concerning food hygiene that we have lost the skills to assess the edibility of foods. Do lettuces go off on the use by date? Of course they don't we can tell from the state of the leaves whether they are edible, ditto oranges and apples etc etc. Even meat can be eaten a lot later than indicated - it may look unpalateable and need longer cooking with more spices but is not damaging necessarily to health. The issue has to be however the decay of whatever food is discarded, however small the amount. It does not require much to form a sizable colony of viral/bacterial soup for the unwary. Even MPs are not convinced by the evidence and yet it continues forward at a pace. Bob
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#48 Posted : 17 July 2007 09:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney I've just thought of something else (been a bit slower lately). Having seen the tv news and them trying their best to show the worst pictures of rubbish piling up on the streets - how about blind people who struggle at the best of times to get along the pavement when bins/rubbish is left out? Of course this applies no matter how often the rubbish is collected but surely more means less space. Bob, I like the bit about foxes and badgers having a look to see if there is anything of use. It gave me a picture of them going who wants the old beano? Lilian
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#49 Posted : 17 July 2007 10:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis They do tend to enjoy the slugs more from my bin as my wife has banned the Beano:-( I am awaiting a first visit from the bin inspectors when they decide I am contaminating the waste with wildlife:-) Bob
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#50 Posted : 17 July 2007 10:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ Weekly or fortnightly, i think its a load of old tosh.Some people re cycle and some don't. deal with the root cause and we could make effective progress. First step is to reduce the need for re cycle. My rubbish comes from a supermarket. The first thing I need is less packaging on my products. Give me less rubbish and I can re cycle easily and a 2 weekly collection will be less of a problem. I use a milk man because he gets rid of my rubbish, thats my kind of re cycle. It does cost extra. Less packaging means less carbon foot print, less for me to recycle and will impact on the people who don't bother at all. I cannot at the moment reduce my waste production unless I stop buying things. Force the supermarkets into preventing excess rubbish driving out the carpark Households produce rubbish, but it is the commercial/business activities of the nation that produce waste on an unbelievable scale. There is very little done to curb this excessive waste and it is not easy to re cycle as a business. There is much talk of our impact on the planet. There is very little action to save the planet. So untill someone gets round to seriously addressing the root cause of our problems I see no reason why the general public should be mugged over bin collections and re cycling. So a weekly collection does away with all the health and safety problems created by fortnightly collection hence it is logical to me that is the way it should be conducted weekly.
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#51 Posted : 17 July 2007 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs Habits. I have lived in my current house for 5 years with fortnightly services. At first I used to have things out each and every collection, and the landfill bin would be heavy. Now, the landfill bin barely goes out for collection - usually half-full every FOUR weeks. The vast majority of my waste is now recycled, at least 70% by volume and 50% by weight. What flies? I grew up in the 60's/70's and seem to remember flies being a part of life in a council house - now I notice a fly because of it's rarity. Smell. Yes, occasionally, the composting bin smells - so I try not to stand next to it. The old tin bin used to stink too once we stopped having a real fire (the ashes were fantastic at eliminating smells, but blooming messy). I feel quite proud when putting out the recycling (just before it gets collected - not 24 hours before, foxes don't like being seen so early morning as I leave for work seems to be best). Again, not every collection day - only when I have enough to warrant the 3 minutes it takes. Has the past really been forgotten so quickly? The bin was kept away from the house because it was a nasty thing. It always has been. This isn't difficult, in fact it feels horrible at work throwing everything into the same waste bin.
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#52 Posted : 17 July 2007 14:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jon Vitta If you have got room then get a few chickens, easy to keep and really useful for eating your scraps of food,nice fresh eggs and they eat those pesky woodlice, as well as giving you top quality fertiliser. What they don't eat then compost this and get a wormery for the animal waste. problem solved (for those who have gardens) why don't they think about get community bins for flats etc which can be emptied on a regular basis and that food waste can go to the pigs (as it used to from my school many moons ago)
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#53 Posted : 17 July 2007 16:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis Jon But do not expect to hve any plants left! Bob
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#54 Posted : 17 July 2007 16:12:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jon Vitta Robert Its all about balance, if you mix it with your normal compost its a winner. the egg shells also prove to be a good slug repellent. unfortunately this year the amount of rain has washed them away and the lettuces have taken a complete battering.
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#55 Posted : 17 July 2007 16:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis As I said elsewhere on this forum Bantams are a better bet and more easily managed. My garden is not really big enough to cope with dogs and chickens. Bob
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#56 Posted : 18 July 2007 14:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Derek Carpenter www.middletongaurdian.co.uk/news Its good to talk but better to listen. This local authority, like many others now, is listening to residents concerns and re-thinking. Well done Rochdale.
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