Posted By Rommel Dose a self employed operator who works on construction site classify as contractor or subcontractor? Must they be declared as contractors in the new F10? Many thanks

Posted By Robert. If taken on and approved by the PC (client) then contractor. Other than the PC, all are contractors irrespective of how many sub-subs there are. Contractors (all)have a duty to ensure competanance of their workers and that includes those subbed to them. If the self employed guy needs specific assistance in a particular area then he will probably sub--still a contractor. Only the Client, CDMC and PC needs addressing on an F10

Posted By peter gotch Hi Rommel. CDM does not recognise the concept of a sub-contractor. They will fall within the CDM definition of contractor. Regards, Peter

Posted By Rommel Thanks to you all for the responds I am the PC and the only contractor appointed by the client, but there are 200 workers on site and 90% of them are self employed trades and labours; for tax and other legal reasons each one them must have a contract outlining the work, time frame and the cost. So from what I understand they are all contractors. If this is the case, dose HSE really expect to be provide with the detail for every single one them and every other contactor we may hire in future? Do I have a point here or do I still not understand the concept of this?

Posted By Robert K Lewis Rommel They are all contractors for the purposes of CDM 07. But as I have said they are all your subcontractors. Unless of course you are contracted under a Construction Management contract whereby the client appoints all contractors on the project. Just ignore Box 12 on the F10 Bob

Posted By Rommel Guys, Once again thanks for the responds. The CDM C e-mailed a new version of F10 and asked me to update it in respect of the contractors and send a hardcopy back to him; I have replied to his e-mail explaining the situation and awaiting for his comments.

Posted By James M If you are the PC and only contractor then you must have sub contracted the work to the 200 workers. If you have sub contracted to them individually (as 90% of them are self employed) you must have been busy ensuring the competency of each individual as required under CDM 2007. Depending on certain criteria you may be classed as their employer as far as the HSE are concerned. Never mind what the tax man says!!