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Posted By The toecap
I gotta a problem. Some works is about to begin in which we erect scaffolding. Soem of the scaffold will be slightly in the road. Once the scaffold is up we will provide a protected walkway for pedestrain access. However, what do i do during the 3 days that the erection of scaffold takes place. Any suggestions? I've told the site manager to put up a sign stating 'footpath closed'. Is there any more i can do? There is no alternative access.
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Posted By Bob Youel
Have you recieved your permissions to erect a scaffold on the queeens highway from the local council?
Are your staff / the contractors staff chapter 8 trained?
If you need to ask the question; what do you mean? or the answer is 'NO' I advise that you get competent advice
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
You cannot simply close footpaths without local authority permission, just as you cannot undertake any work on the public highway without their consent. It makes no difference how small the incursion.
Bob
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Posted By Steve j B
Difficult to be precise without seeing the site but:
Be careful just closing the footpath, if you send pedestrians into the road to cross and an accident happens you may be liable. Closing a footway should only be done following a risk assessment and usually where there is a low pedestrain traffic flow and a low vehile traffic flow (i.e. in a clu-de-sac environment)
You should apply for a scaffold licence from the LA Highways department as the scaffold will be in the highway.
Install a temporary walkway in the road in accordance with streetworks 'red book' making sure it is signed and guarded as required with correct advance warning etc. The exact requirements will depend on road widths, traffic flows, road layout etc,. (you may need temporary traffic lights)
Also make sure any temporary walkway is safe not only from traffic but also from the scaffolding works whilst it is being erected.
Hope this helps
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Posted By Merlin
Toecap
I would suggest as with Bob, that you get permission for a road closure (highways) normally in writing and maybe up to ten days in advance
If you don’t have permission to erect the scaffold on the highway, road or footpath they will make you take it down and you will be liable for a fine.
May I also suggest that you may have to have the scaffold designed not just put up as some companies do
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Posted By Ste Germski
Hello All,
this is my first entrance into the forum, so go easy.
We had a similar problem but it was regarding the use of a crane on part of an extension to our workshops, but it was being used on the road.
I only got wind of this 3 days prior to the works staring.
So I got in touch with the LA and let them know that we would be needing a 'partial' road closure. Let them know what procedures would be put into place i.e. barriers, traffic management systems etc. We got the green light and a visit from them during the works to make sure everything was in order.
P.S. scaffold does not nesessarily need designing, it is built to certain specification i.e. BS EN 12811-2003, it only needs designing if there is sheeting added or a loading platform.
Hope I have not made a complete fool of myself on my first forum inclusion.
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Posted By The toecap
Oh and by the way i have permission and the LA said that they had dischargeed their duty and it was now down to us. (Good old LA)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Ste
Need to be a bit careful with the blanket statement that scaffold does not need designing. The BS EN is actually written with system scaffolds in mind. TG20.05 is the NASC guidance in extending this to tube and fitting. The design requirements in this actually kick in at the relatively low height of 5 metres, or where the specified designs are not used at lesser heights. Loading bay designs are included but often ignored and must also therefore be designed in most situations.
Totally agree though that all sheeted scaffolds and similar have to be designed as well.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Toecap
if you have permission to close the footpath specifically then why ask the question in the first place?
However your road and streetwork supervisor will be setting out the siignage to the plan agreed. Including the formal road narrowing signage and the pedestrian diversion via a safe crossing point.
Bob
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Posted By The toecap
The reason i raised the question is to see what or if there was a better idea to deal with the footpath whilst erecting the scaffold. I can see that nobody has.
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Posted By Ste Germski
Thanks Rob Lewis, my comment on scaffolding was not meant to come out as a blanket, but a reaction to the comment made by Merlin regarding all scaffold being designed.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Scaffolders are usually very good with sky hooks and glass nails to judge by some recent structures I have viewed!
Can you ask them to build it offsite and lift it in with a crane?!!!:-)
Bob
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Posted By Shane J
where would you put the crane?
Toecap
You will have to erect signs to warn both the motorists and the pedestrians.
You will have to direct pedestrians to the opposite footpath via signage
Signs should be placed well in advance of the scaffolding.
I'm nearly sure you'll have to draw up a plan for all this on paper so you have hard evidence that some thought went into the process.
If possible you'll be well advised to appoint a flagman to control traffic/pedestrian movement around the scaffolding.
So,
1) Plan on paper
2) Warning signs, for pedestrians and cars
3) Flag man
4) A pint for the flagman or hot whiskey depending on the weather
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Posted By Ste Germski
Rob, you must have been looking at the same sites as myself:-)
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Posted By The toecap
I've done the traffic management plan. But thanks everybody. I got the signs i got a NRSWA trained person. I'm off on holiday tomorrow. By the way the crane idea may not be practicable but it is a good idea.
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Posted By RP See www.streetworks.fsnet.co.uk, may be worth asking... As for the LA having discharged their duty by giving permission, this is not quite accurate: REF, Highway Act
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