Posted By Tabs My initial thought is that the policy is wrong. A large chemical plant suggests a large employer, and a large-scale PR disaster if 12 year-old "Johanne" or "Lisa" is injured, missing, or worse following your policy that they have to spend the middle of the night (or day for that matter) stood on the side of a foreign trunk road. In my opinion, you have a couple of choices - turn away those vehicles with people other than appropriate persons in them. Or provide appropriate facilities at your security office. We are talking about a small portacabin or similar with a toilet, warmth, good lighting, seats, and water. As a minimum. Place it next to the security cabin, and in plain view - but outside the perimeter if you can. It is more than your legal duty - but so are many things we do. One bad news story will cost you more than the rental in terms of disruption and corporate image.

Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy Another case of litigation 1 Common Sense 0. I did a job on SHELL a couple of years ago where the lorry driver brought his dog for company. No matter what SHELL came up with there was no "rule" that he had broken. They tried frantically to create an issue but the truth is the lorry driver had acted within the spirit of the law, had conformed to safe system of work, and had assessed the risk (both to himself and the dog. We know this because he had the dog on a lead and had provided water. It was on this day that I realised the difference between a Safety Professional and a Safety Officer.

Posted By Taff2 Thanks to all who have responded Tabs, I agree that we could have a large-scale PR disaster if 12 year-old "Johanne" or "Lisa" is injured, missing, or worse following your policy that they have to spend the middle of the night (or day for that matter) stood on the side of a foreign trunk road. re your choices: 1. Turn away those vehicles with people other than appropriate persons in them. We do that currently, the driver drives down the road & comes back within 5 minutes without the passenger (presumably left at side of road -away from our field of view) - legally, not our issue, morally still an issue for us 2. Provide appropriate facilities at your security office. No room outside perimeter / no chance of getting planning consent - some space available inside the perimeter (but is this welfare facility just a duplication of their cab?) + since it is inside the perimeter - we need to have our security team PNC checked & MAYBO trained to deal with minors + give them PPE + the security guards have other duties and cannot be sat in the gatehouse for 24x7 or 4 hours watching a child / spouse sit in a cab. Glyn, Our first step was to communicate with the transport companies - they are aware of the new rules - drivers do take liberties & what we are landed up with is the possibility of forcing a 5 year old to stand near a trunk road unattended for up to 4 hours, whilst daddy is on site loading/ unloading. Merlin, We deal with foodstuffs mainly - some chemicals fall under ADR - not all It seems that forcing the child / spouse to sit in the cab for the duration of the visit is the only solution - but this has major security / safety issues (fire / evacuation) - imagine a 10 year old Italian / French kid hearing a loud (innocent) alarm - panicking and running out of the cab into a chemcial plant!!