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Posted By KEVIN O'KANE
Hi , just would like to throw this one out to you all.
To what extent do you get involved with looking at training providers, used by your organisations. The type of courses I have in mind our courses is were there is a high risk in that activities back in the workplace.
Do you attend the pilot courses? are you involve in the evaluation of potential suppliers?etc. Are you included in the loop with your training department. I would be most grateful on what your thoughts are..Cheers kevin
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Posted By KEVIN O'KANE
Come on guys , there must be someone who has a view! I'm relying on this for a meeting tomorrow..I need you in my hour of need!
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Posted By Sally
very difficult one to answer as it depends so much on the organisation.
I've worked in companies where I organised all safety training and selected and supervised suppliers. I've worked in organisations who had dedicated training departments who did that and all i did was specify course contents and criteria for providers.
Again attending pilot courses it would depend - was this a provider we had used before, or been recommended or picked out of the yellow pages.
Another factor that has an impact is whether the course is general eg good manual handling technique or specific eg how to operate our Risk Assessment process.
Sorry if this isn't much helf
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Posted By KS-TI
Hi Kevin,
My company carries out a lot of training a bulk internal courses which are ran by myself alongside my other health and safety duties but from time to time we need to recruit external trainer providers to help us out. I try and find a company that can offer us a complete service or as close to this as possible as it helps us establish close links and friendships plus a sense of trust.
I am currently looking at training in a few set areas at this moment in time and I am arranging myself to sit in an open course they run to evaluate the training. When we have used trainers I have always took the role of sitting on the training, firstly it is a nice refresher and secondly to assess what I think of the training. Another big thing is to meet the trainers and get a fell from them, I have been very lucky as everyon I have met always seem relaxed, friendly, knowledge of thier subject and good communication skill and when training has been carried out this as not changed from the initial meet up.
External safety meetings are another good thing as they allow you to network with local safety people and pass reocmmendations, my potential training provider actually attends these meetings personally.
Hope this helps
Regards
KS
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Posted By mrs.seed
Current example: CDM training
H&S group has worked closely with the training department (we are lucky that we have a dedicated H&S training manager who is an ex-advisor).
We decided on what we thought were appropriate training course for different groups of people and wrote briefs for the course. We took this to H&S training manager who got in a trusted trainer, who we spoke with and who then designed several courses to our brief.
We then sat in on his pilot course, suggested a few changes and hey ho off we go.
In short CDM compliance is not incredibly high risk compared to some activities but we were involved from the start.
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Posted By TBC
As far as H&S training is concerned it is very important that you are 'in the loop'. I have worked for various companies and have always involved myself in anything to do with H&S training. I would often adjust/add to the courses to suit my company needs and ensure the quality and quantity was just right. I have even run the courses with some of the training dept attending so that they could take over the course (Basic H&S Induction). Always ask for feedback from employees to grade and assess the training if you can't attend personally.
I'm surprised you have to ask - is the training dept excluding you?
Hope it helps.
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Posted By Kevin Bennett
Hi Kevin,
I have used various external training organisations and there are some basic checks you can do to ensure you are getting a course that covers all the bases:-
1. Meet the trainer to see if they are the type of person that can relate to your employees. There's nothing worse than having somebody who just stands up and proceeds to recite regulations from cover to cover.
2. Sit down and discuss your training needs, often they will try to hit you with an off the shelf course that may not cover all your bases. Let them know exactly what you want so that they can be in no doubt as to what you are looking for.
3. Tell them about your business, they will need to relate the course to events/situations within your workplace, so that your employees can fully understand the content.
4. Have a dry run if possible, if not sit in on the first course and allow 2-3 days for any comments you may have to be implemented before the next session.
5. Don't be afraid to use smaller training providers, they often work for the bigger guys as associates, but you don't have to pay the 'middle man' costs.
I am sure they will not mind me saying but I have used John Bartlett for general H&S, IOSH and NEBOSH training and recommend the guy completely.
Equally I have used Peter Cowland for various fire training courses and he has everyone eating out of his hand by the end of the day...
...both these people are small operations that offer a very personal service at a reasonable rate.
I hope this helps but please feel free to contact me if you need any more help.
Kevin
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Posted By KEVIN O'KANE
Thanks guys ...really helpful , and yes I do feel I am being left out, and I feel I should be consulted on what sort of training that is going on with the relevence to H&S.I don't think I am being unreasonable by asking these relevent questions, do you think I am?
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Posted By Kevin Bennett
Kevin,
You need to make it clear to your training department that you are the competent person in your field, and as such need to ensure that any training in that field is given the okay by you before it is rolled out to the masses!!
Good luck.
Kevin
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Posted By KS-TI
Another issue with H&S training is the budget side, I have a budget for saftey training and if a line manager decides to stick someone on a course which is later found to be inadequate then you have a big issue when you realise that you can't arrange training because no budget is left! Or someone arranges training that is not a priority for their specific department and you have training required that is a priority and no budget is left! (I know happened to me when I first started and that is now why I organise the training so no repeat happens)
Regards
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Posted By Dave Wilson
We quite regularly invite prospective clients to sit in on a course for Asbestos or any other course to get an understanding of whats involved and quality etc, any trainer who would not allow this would have something to hide methinks.
They can then make an informed decision of content, trainers qualities, delivery and more importantly cost effectiveness.
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