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Posted By Dexter
Hi there!
I'm working as EHS Officer in a newly opened company and i just want to know if it's my responsibility to request, outsource (thru email, telephone & walk-in), purchase, distribute, and make an order again for replenishment.
Needs some advise.....
Many thanks...
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Posted By Julian Wilkinson
Hello Dexter
Firstly, i assume you have already done so, but have you identified through risk assessment what ppe is required?
If you are responsible for health and safety then you need to ensure the right equipment has been issued for the task. whether you purchase it or not could be a matter for your own internal controls.
But yes, it needs to be purchased, issued (free of charge) and necessary control measures are in place.
If the ppe use is for appointed contractors then in most cases they are responsible but you can control this through checking their policies, risk assessments and the measures you have for your permit to work systems
Julian
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Posted By MT
If you're asking if it is set out in a Regulation somewhere that the competent person for health and safety within an organisation must carry out those tasks, then no.
I think you need to approach your line manager and ask whose responsibility those tasks are within the company, and then ensure that all employees are aware of who is responsible for ensuring that they have all the PPE required for their particular role.
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Posted By Bob Youel
read your job description; as sometimes it could be part of your role
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Posted By Chris Packham
Given the need to ensure that the right PPE is provided and used correctly it will almost certainly be your responsibility to determine which PPE for which task and to identify the relevant supplier, product specification/catalogue number, etc. Keep in mind that incorrectly specified PPE or the correct PPE used incorrectly can actually increase the risk of damage to health.
Whether you actually issue the order will depend upon your company's internal systems, e.g. who is generally responsible for purchasing, who holds the budget for this type of product etc.
Chris
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Posted By Dexter
Julian, thanks for the reply. your right, i've already done the work for logistics and admin. work. All PPEs undergo thorough checking & assessment and approved by the management and I already distributed which are needed by the workers/employees. But what confuses me is that these are not anymore duties and responsibilities of an EHS Officer. Is there anything I can do about it? Suggestions and comments will highly be appreciated...
Thanks...
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Posted By Dexter
MT, thanks for the reply. Actually, I already approached not just the line manager, plant manager, but even the Technical Affairs Gen. Mgr. and they just nod their heads and to tell the story short they are giving to me all the responsibilities inwhich I know that it's not anymore under my authority. The main reason I saw in these kind of situation is that they don't know about Environment Health and Safety. They ignoring the big role of safety and they are focusing only on the production output. Even the management is not backing me up with these matter. I'm directly reporting to our CEO but even him I think is lacking of knowledge about EHS eventhough I already inform him the importance and also gave him all the notes, plans, manuals, information, ideas and other stuff that will help and put a system for the growth of the company. It's giving me a terrible headache.
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Posted By Julian Wilkinson
Your right, legislation refers to the 'employer' however, as you are the appointed person to manage h&s then you have an argument for overseeing matters such as purchasing h&s equipment to ensure the employer is meeting its legal obligations.
What exactly is the problem Dexter? I have the feeling that this is something that is perhaps out of your control and you are not happy about it
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Posted By Dexter
Bob, to tell you frankly, even the contents of my description is very wrong. Why? before I was hired as an Asst. EHS Officer then less than a week they promoted me as EHS Officer and I ask the Job Description for the said position you know what our Admin. & Finance said to me "can you make your own because I don't know anything baout EHS". Crazy.....but true... So now I gave them a copy from the EHS under Ports, Customs and Freezone Corporation under Dubai Regulations and also a copy of EHS duties & responsibilities from Phil. Gov't. for him to go through. But then again, nothing happens, they dlegate all other works to me in which not part anymore of EHS... Can I do anything about it?
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Posted By Dexter
Chris, thanks for the response. I gave you a situation, our Lab. Chemist requested to me if he can have a safety mask. what i do is I make an assessment then propose to him what's the right kind to have then I told him to make a request to our admin and to logistics/purchasing, what happens is they turn the request back to me telling me to outsource or even go to three different establishment and check whick is cheaper, better but good quality (not part anymore of EHS). to make the story short, they are now regularly doing these and I'm getting sick about it cause even i raised the issue to our administration nothing happens. There's no system.
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Posted By Dexter
Julian, thanks again for the reply.
The big problem here is I'm appointed as EHS Officer and then they gave to me also another department which is Security Department where i'm the only one knows the system for the SACS (Security Access Control System) and CCTV. I cannot manage all the work at the same time and to think that they are focusing mainly on the security side and ignoring the Health & Safety in which really my job. Hardest thing here is that I make a Safety Manual putting up system but nobody's cooperating. i'm a one man team here handling two different departments. One more thing to spice up..... they duly appointed a man as my Asst. EHS Officer..... you know what his qualification... nothing at all... but a high jump for him (office boy to Asst. EHS Officer) imagine.!!! hehehe.....sorry for the words.....need help here... I already make a request but the answer is they cannot afford...funny though.
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Posted By Wayne Harris
Dexter,
It looks like you have a problem with someone being placed in a HSE position without the right qualifications. As you may know if the person does not hold the right qualifications for a safety role he would not be able able to become a registered safety advisor under the PCFC regulations in Dubai.
If you need any help send us an email , as we are running the free registration scheme for safety advisers in Dubai.
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Posted By Chris Packham
Dexter
To some extent I think I can understand why your organisation is acting as it is. The selection of the appropriate PPE can be tricky. Perhaps they feel that the person best suited to evaluate the quality and performance of different PPE from different suppliers is the person who first specified what type of PPE should be used, i.e. you.
I have encountered situations, for example with gloves for protection against chemicals, where, as the company's advisor I have specified a specific glove from a particular manufacturer, only to find that purchasing has ordered an "equivalent" from a different manufacturer. In practice the "equivalent" glove had different performance characteristics and although to the untrained person might have appeared suitable, was not actually providing the protection needed.
So as the health and safety advisor in any company, I think I would want to be involved in the identification and selection of the most suitable PPE, even if ultimately was not the person who actually issued the order.
Chris
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Posted By Merv Newman
Dexter,
a few words of encouragement. Your sort of situation has been known by almost every H&S person I have met. We have an ill-defined job (ill-defined because management don't know what they are talking about nor what is involved) Then they dump more on us.
you can live with or or do the "passive resistance" bit.
"Live with it" : you take it all on, it's tough for a few months but it eventually becomes routine. Honest ! And if you have a decent secretary he can take a lot of the load.
"Passive resistance" : every task takes more time and goes over budget (re: pyramid building) A report or risk assessment wanted today ? Sorry, too busy.
On a lighter note : 15 years doing plant HSE and I never had a budget. All safety costs were production costs. Appropriate manager paid for his safety out of his pocket.
No accidents. (well, ok, one LTI in the 15 years)
Merv
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Posted By Dexter
Wayne,
Thanks for the concern, i admit that I'm new in this career but I'm very eager to learn and adopt. Before i decided to put myself into this, i consulted all of my friends that also on the same career as H&S advisors, officers, inspector, and manager. I'm involving myself now to join organizations, societies, seminars, and trainings.
The problem i'm facing right now is that i'm lacking support from the management maybe due to financial problems we're facing. I'm establishing things, suggesting, studying, etc.
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Posted By Dexter
Wayne,
I already spoke with my boss about it but still they don't want to hire a qualified EHS Officer for the reason of financial problems. For us as EHS, it's very bad to have a person working as Health and Safety and doesn't have totally an experience because this may lead to bad decision making and everything. This situation is giving me a hard time. Although I still keeping my H&S program here, ensuring H&S. I will try to open again the issue to my boss so that as soon as possible we can replace him or transfer to other department and hire a good and better safety officer.
Many thanks,
Dex
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Posted By Dexter
Thanks for all the suggestions and advise guys. This will help me and push through my objectives.
Highly regrads,
Dex™
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Posted By Chris Packham
Dex
Let me have your e-mail address and I will send you some information on selection and use of PPE (in this case gloves) which may be of help to you - and may help when speaking to management.
Chris
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Posted By Dexter
I've just sent an email. Thanks!
Regards,
Dex™
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