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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
I agree with you BOB, if we go to the root cause then the management would need to exit as well as the supposed H&S experts.
I do not think I am taking the high ground my comments come from my observations.
This morning I had to go to a distribution depot. The company is blue chip with depots all over the UK.Did not need to book in and no work permit required. No hazard or induction trg.
Walked into the chiller and we have a scissor lift raised to three mts with an operative standing on the rail, OUTSIDE, using a pressure hose to clean a cooler. Plenty of staff present, but no one doing anything.
Eye wash station with empty bottle by battery charging station. Plant room minus doors so access to all. Lorry came through the yard at about 20/30.
I would bet a pound that all the paperwork is bank on the button.
The total budget this company expends on H&S is considerable. It has a large staff of H&S professionals.
My observations are confined to a handful of large companies within the logistics/distribution industry.
From my observations, to many overrated professionals, and it is these people who are a contributor to the poor opinion of H&S people. They also contribute to the accident figures because they are failing to deliver safety to the workforce.
As observed within my local patch.
Garry
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Posted By Matt Wardman
Crim:
>Is it too much to ask other parents to be aware of their children's needs and desires and to ensure, if there is potential for problems, that the children are kept away from such hazards?
No, it isn't.
>If an entertainer uses a bubble machine a simple warning could be made to parents attending to look after their own children and ensure they do not slip on the wet surface.
If you are expecting parents to be aware - as you state in the first para I quote, then istm that a warning is unnecessary unless there is a non-onvious hazard.
In something as simple as blowing bubbles, I wouldn't see a need for both - and would consider the warning unnecessary. Children should be aware of slippery surfaces - never mind parents. Surely they find out about them when they learn to walk?
If it was a more risky or unusual activity, I would expect to ask people to be careful. Things that spring to mind are building a tree house or having a pool party.
Matt
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Posted By Steve B
Thanks for all the responses guys, it is obvious from what I have heard throughout this thread, I am not alone when it comes to fighting our corner.
the corner of professionalism, integrity and honesty in our own competency levels.
Regards
Steve B
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Posted By Jim Walker
We are not the only ones.
My wife is a practice nurse at a GP Medial practice.
They are currently having to waste time dealing with a lawyer employed by a patient whose child ended up with a scar on her arm after contracting chicken pox !
Quite why this is anything to do with the GP is beyond me, but they can't just chuck the lawyers letter in the bin.
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Posted By jackw.
Hi, As ever some halfwit is using or more accurately miss using H&S. Yes it may be some amateur with little or no real knowledge of H&S. But unfortunately, in my limited experience some well qualified and experienced H&S officers can also create lots hassle and problem's over trivial matters. I have found this particularly with my current employers a LA. My background is varied and mostly private sector and i worked on sites and in factories for a number of years. I find some of the H&S officers have never been outside a LA and have become subservient to a system in which making a decision is avoided at all costs. Driven perhaps with the fear of making a mistake which appears to be almost not allowed in LA's. My view, most if not all mistakes can be rectified and the man or woman that never made a mistake never made anything. I think too there is too much emphasis and credence given to what I call perceived risks that are highly unlikely to ever cause any problem as opposed to real risk that should be better resourced.
Ok my 10p worth.
Cheers.
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Posted By Andrew Meiklejohn
It's haapening more a more often
An H&S qualification on it's own is not enough.
This why you don't let some people read an MSDS as they see the word Carcinogen but not the 0.01%. The next thing you know they've banned the substance. Just no logic sometimes!
It can go the other way though - as I remember being told that using Helium to fill balloons did not need a risk assessment as Helium was inert and did not react with anything!
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Posted By Pat Hannaway
Just a quick thought. Will Tesco now stop selling such dangerous products like rubber gloves, washing up liquid and condoms since they consider them life threatening?
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Posted By BB
Two cannibals eating a clown. One says to the other "does this taste funny to you?".
(Tommy Cooper)
Boom-Boom!
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Posted By William Graham
No the world hasn't gone mad, but the media decided that it was open season on our profession a few years ago and will print any story (made up or not) because its easy. Mr Clarkson (who I do enjoy) doesn't help with his "safety Nazi" quotes, bearing in mind if there were no "safety" features in the cars on his show him and his mates would be very dead by now!
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