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Posted By Nahid Nathu
Having seen a few examples of terrible Design Risk Assessments. I was wondering whether or not any of you could send me copies of any good examples of them?
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Just remember that according to the ACOP and CDM 07 designers do not have to do design risk assessments - they have to manage the design risks which is subtley different.
Bob
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Posted By Shane J
I agree, The main contractor has the responsibility of assessing any residual risks.
I'm sorry i can't help. I spend hours sifting through pages and pages of wonderfully crafted waffle that rarely gives me the information I want.
A Design Hazards Identification form should be simple and clear.
Construction hazards- Controls (Most competent contractors will be aware of these, the point is to identify the non-obvious i.e. hidden services, soil contamination etc.
Structural hazard - Control.
Maintenance hazards- Controls.
Materials Hazards - Controls
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
We need to be very careful about how these residual risks are set out.
1) They must only be significant risks that are not immediately obvious to a competent contractor or other employer. So no work at height design risk statement for contractors.
2) I should be able to track from the design processes that risks have been recognised and appropriately considered. Thus if there is no plant on the roof there is also no need to access the roof other than for maintenance. If arrangements have been put in place for maintenance to access the roof this knowledge is required for the H&S file. If there are no such arrangements then a competent contractor ought to know how to access and work safely on roofs. If a 1m high parapet or guardrails are installed at roof edge there is no record needed for the H&S File - I will see the logic in the design risk register within the design process however.
We are making the process simply one of an output specific risk assessment for evrything and it is not meant to be so.
Bob
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy
I spent some time at a HSE office looking at what they were after. It transpires that they do not really want to see design risk assessments, they just want a short statement about how a decision was reached, e.g client requested lights at high level, designer chose system that was low maintenance. They would also like to see evidence of what else was considered and why it was discarded.
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Posted By Naz Nathu
Robert
Thank you for your response. Quick question for you though:
If Designers must manage the risks associated with the design of the building, you should be able to track that the risks have been considered at the design phase and you would assume that a 1m papapet has been installed as a result of the risks being considered ...... How is this possible without a Risk Assessment.
I am aware what the ACoP says.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
It could be for aesthetic reasons such as to hide plant installed on the roof. Things are not always provided for H&S reasons in the first place.
I was pointing out that once it is part of the design then the need to highlight it further is irrelelvant. I do not require to make any specific WAH mention in the file as it is not an issue. A competent employer would/ought to know that one cannot undertake work that reduces this protection. Designers are entitled to believe that employers understand the regulations pertaining to their activities. However I do need to know, preferably on the drawings the maximum permissable horizontal load on the parapet.
Bob
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