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#1 Posted : 17 August 2007 12:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Carter I am currently having various debates about the pro's and con's of wearing gloves when operating circular bench saws for cutting wood (a minor activity in our businesses). Most / all info available (including from the HSE) seems to avoid mentioning gloves at all. They're obviously good for handling the wood, but a potential risk from catching on the rotating blade. Any thoughts from people who do a lot of this type of work? Thanks in advance. Rich.
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#2 Posted : 17 August 2007 12:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Richard I would be concerned firstly at the possiblity that hands, whether gloved or not, could be caught in the saw blade! If this is a possibility, then perhaps you should be looking at the safety devices to prevent this. Whether the hands are gloved or not, if caught in a circular saw blade serious damage will occur, so the additional risk from the wearing of gloves would be minimal in my view and probably outweighed by the potential damage to the hands from handling the wood. However, you do not say what condition the wood is in. Is it rough, such that skin damage would be a probability or is it smooth, in which case are gloves really of any benefit? Regards Chris
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#3 Posted : 17 August 2007 12:54:00(UTC)
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Posted By Richard Carter Hello Chris Thanks for the comments. The guarding on our saws is generally good and in line with HSE guidance.On some there are two-handed controls, but on others during the cut there is a small (very small) possibliity for the blade to be touched if someone failed to follow the procedures. The wood we use is for making pallets, so is rough enough for cuts/splinters to be an issue. I guess the concern with gloves is if in the unlikely event the glove did catch on the blade, it would draw the hand in and worsen the injury. Cheers Rich
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#4 Posted : 17 August 2007 13:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Richard Whilst it is normal to consider gloves as a potential hazard when operating rotating machinery, my common sense (??) suggests that with the high speed of rotation of a toothed blade the fact that someone is wearing a glove will make little different to the outcome, since the teeth will "grab" the skin anyway. In fact, a leather gauntlet type glove might actually provide some protection, but I would not want to suggest this as a consideration! Chris
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#5 Posted : 17 August 2007 13:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Garry Mcglaid Richard, As i am sure you are aware of, as well as you might guard any kind of saw there will always be a point where contact is possible especially on panel saws, table saws,etc. I personally do not allow gloves of any kind for any of our wood machinists. As bad as this may sound, a nick on a fingertip is preferable to an amputated digit due to draw in.
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#6 Posted : 17 August 2007 14:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Jerman As an experienced user of several types of wood saw including table saws, I'm with Chris on the gloves issue. With the speed of the blade, being caught and drawn in is not the mechanism for injury. The blade is designed to cut at high speed. Any chance of being caught usually comes from being nipped between the fence when 'pushing through' or contact directly with the blade when if workpiece grabs and the due to the riving knife being poorly adjusted or missing. Unless your wearing something incredibly tough, normal gloves wouldn't help. However, in my view neither should they hinder. But if we're down to whether we insist on PPE to prevent splinters it's time to give up. Woodworking is one of those areas that is a fascinating subject for discussion in relation to ALARP and ISOFARP. There is no way to fully guard a table saw and have it remain flexible enough for use in the ad Ho way necessary for most joiners. I know, I own one. I have a very healthy respect for it. Now where's my push stick?
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#7 Posted : 17 August 2007 14:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By LJ Richard, Try this link: http://www.hse.gov.uk/pubns/wis16.pdf As the previous post mentioned push sticks should always be used 'when operating a hand-fed circular saw, a push-stick should always be used when making any cut less than 300 mm in length or when feeding the last 300 mm of a longer cut. The operator’s leading hand should never be closer than is necessary to the front of the saw and hands should never be in line with the saw blade.: refer to the ACOP Safe use of woodworking machinery -PUWER 98 as applied to woodworking machinery. LJ
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#8 Posted : 17 August 2007 15:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Garry Mcglaid Also consider machinery with automatic feed, spindle moulders, edgebanders etc, as a time served wood machinist i wouldnt dream of wearing gloves on machinery of this type. I suppose its the old adage of risk assessing all the different machinery and materials being used.
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#9 Posted : 18 August 2007 14:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman A lot of very very good advice above. On circular saws and similar I would tend to advise leather gloves just from a materials handling position. However, where rotating shafts or tools are involved I go for bare hands. Rather a bad cut than a few fingers ripped off. Merv
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#10 Posted : 18 August 2007 15:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham Agree with Merv. Consider also the probabilties (Lion/kitten analogy). Handling the rough wood for pallets gives a much higher probability of splinters and cuts that catching hand in saw blade. So risk of damage to health from wood is higher than risk of damage from saw blade. Since damage will be more severe with saw blade control measures must be more stringent, but lost time from splinters may well be the major problem in practice. Chris
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#11 Posted : 18 August 2007 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Pope Look up sawstop on google and watch the video clip of this finger saving device. Axminster power tools are the first uk distributor in serious conversation with the US manufacturer
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