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#1 Posted : 04 September 2007 08:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karel Simpson As most of you will be aware of what has happened with the National Express coach overturning and the alleged claim by media that the driver has been arrested for drink driving offence I would like to pose the question - How do you control alcohol consumption amongst your drivers within a company? IS a policy just good enough? How do you police this? Reason I am asking is that I am about to move into a different industry that involves a lot of HGV drivers driving long distances. Regards Karel
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#2 Posted : 04 September 2007 09:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Haynes The railways have a pretty secure policy on drugs and alcohol. See;- http://www.rgsonline.co..../Rail-41273/GERT8070.pdf However, before any process is introduced, you need to have discussed and agreed it with the workers reps [eg unions] Also, I'd suggest that it applies to Senior Management as well as Drivers etc - it seems [to the Drivers] a lot fairer that way.
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#3 Posted : 04 September 2007 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi, Sorry but it is not so easy to carry out checks as has been suggested there are few legal issues re random testing etc. for drivers. The rail industry is different and the right to test workers is part of the railways act and thus employers have a sound legal basis to test randomly. You will need to have an agreed policy with ALL staff. Remember in general the traffic police are the "regulators". Policy and information is the key. For example a driver has 4 pints of average strength beer..last one at 11p.m. will not be clear to legally drive until around 11.00 a.m. the next morning. Yes I too was surprised at the length of time it takes to clear, what appears not a huge amount of alcohol, from the system Cheers
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#4 Posted : 04 September 2007 16:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By David Bannister Hi Jackw, I'm surprised at the time to clear. My understanding is that one "unit" takes around 1 hour to clear. 4 pints = 8 units so even if all 4 pints are downed at 11pm, in 8 hours these should have cleared ie by 7am. Add to this the liver's work on the earlier drinks and the clearance time is shorter. Sad to say these days that if I were to consume 8 units in a night I know that my morning hangover would be sufficiently rough to preclude driving anyway. This is in no way supportive of drinking & driving - I have no tolerance of anyone who does that, nor sympathy if caught. In fact I can see the attractions of linking a vehicle ignition system to an in-car breathalyser unit! Now if only some bright-spark could invent the in-car stupid-driver detector...
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#5 Posted : 04 September 2007 16:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Colborne I work for a waste management company in South Wales with 22 HGV drivers and I introduced a new drug and alchol policy last year for all employees (70 employees in total) I took legal advise on this matter and I was told that we only had to give the same amount of notice to introduce a policy as is required by the company for the employees to terminate their employment. For example: if a driver wants to tender his resignation then he has to give the company one weeks notice. So to introduce any policy that would affect his terms and conditions then we have to give him one weeks notice in writng of the change. He then has that one week to raise a grieveance in writng. If the grievance has no substance then the policy will become a part of his contract after the weeks notice has elasped. Regards Mike C
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#6 Posted : 04 September 2007 17:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Pete48 Karel, this area is just like all the others. Policy, organisation and arrangements is the road to a successful management programme. The benefits of random screening/testing are not universally beneficial either in preventing abuse or reducing the risks. However, a programme based on awareness, consultation and supportive co-operation is the one recommended by most including trade unions, HSE and ROSPA for example. Check out their websites for details. Remember also that the best policies always refer to all employees, managers etc and not just those who may drive at work. ( the cultural statement is important in areas like this) One last point, any policy in this area has very strong links with HR and is commonly designed and managed by HR with input from H&S. The numbers around how long alcohol takes to clear from the body are only indicators and are based on a healthy liver(??). I have always started with the same figures as David B and then advised adding a margin of error.
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#7 Posted : 05 September 2007 08:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Julian Wilkinson Somewhere on my travels in Europe I saw a piece of equipment that might solve the problem, how easy to implement it is a different matter of course. When drivers turned up at the depot they first had to clock in and pick up their assignments for the day. Now this is the interesting bit, the drivers had to go to a machine to collect their vehicle keys by blowing into a tube (disposable) which was connected to the machine, if there breath was positive with alcohol the machine would not release the keys. I also think it was link to their management office to alert them somehow. Now it doesn't stop the driver having a drink after he has got his keys, but at least you would know he was fit to drive when he arrived for work. could someone else draw the keys for them? Don't know, but it would take a very stupid person to try to cover for someone. Just thought I would share that with you, but I thought it was a good idea, just cant remember where I saw it though
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#8 Posted : 05 September 2007 11:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Karel Simpson The last thread sounds like a very interesting invention. Thank you to all that have contributed so far to this thread, it is appreciated.
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#9 Posted : 13 September 2007 22:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Aldridge Hi We are involved with drink drive management and both the Alcolock (which prevent vehicles from starting if the driver is over a pre set alcohol limit) and the alcolock activated key management system are both available in the UK and their use is rapidly growing, especially amongst coach operators. One company with 240 vehicles started installing alcolocks on all vehicles today as they are the only effective method of stoping drink driving. The Swedish Government are determined to stop drink driving and have introduced legislation for all buses, coaches and lorries to have an alcolock fitted by 2010 and all road vehicles by 2012. Volvo even announced this week that an alcolock will be available on a new car, even in the UK, from 2008 for those who want it. As highlighted by others the first thing to do is to produce a drink drive company policy which the employees should agree to. Good luck in your job Simon Aldridge
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