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Posted By Raymond Rapp
I have challenged several lorry drivers recently for reversing at our premises without a reversing bleeper sounding. On each occasion there has not been a banksman either. Most of the drivers are aware that their warning bleeper is not working and because they are either contractors or delivery drivers they don't seem to care.
I would be interested in your views on both the legal requirement to have this safety device working and what could be done to eradicate the problem?
Many thanks.
Ray
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Posted By Steve B
No Raymond, you will be glad to know its not just you.
I have the same problem on my projects too. basically most delivery drivers are lone workers so dont have a spare person in the cab to banks them, therefore you need to do the job for them by supplying a body. but the first principle is to try and stop reversing in the first place by the use of good traffic management systems. (not easy because they still find a way to reverse if they can (its the nature of the beast short cuts, job and knock, timed deliveries etc).
I don't know what industry you are in Raymond, I am talking about construction, warn suppliers and sub-contractors that if their
drivers do not abide by the rules they are OFF site for good, it tends to make them think and brief their drivers. (but alas you will always get one or two, you just need to manage it).
Regards
Steve
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Steve
As I suspected...it is not just me. I work in the rail industry but the nature of the beast dictates that we cover construction type activities as well.
I had considered banning individual drivers. However, it is not that simple. Vehicles at our premises are constantly coming and going with hundreds of different suppliers. Due to our vast project work many mangers would not be happy if I refused entry to suppliers.
I can't rely on our security to identify and rectify the problem because lorries would be far past the gates before attempting to reverse. The pedestrian routes are poor (I have raised the matter) and due to space limitations, lorries have no option but to reverse. The depot and surrounding area is used by some 500 people daily!
Ray
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Posted By Steve B
Raymond, It looks like you have a big problem, I think the first thing you need to do is get managment buy in i.e. a little education. I once wrote a paper or should I say a policy and guidelines for traffic movements on our site. the way I see it is: during any pre-tender stages you tend to talk to the mangement of say a construction company but, by the time people arrive on site they are either subbies to the original contract and have not been given the original information from pre-tender and/or the contents of your policies, working instructions and local rules. for example if you order some office furniture from a supplier and send them your policy and site rules, by the time they have dispatched your order it is with a courier company or sub-sub contracted to someone else and the driver has not got a clue what he is driving into. In this case it is up to your security (first point of contact to brief them at the main gate), it is a difficult situation and all you can do is get buy-in at the top and police police police.....
good luck with it
Steve B
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Posted By Glen Coe
I suggest you write to you suppliers and tell them of your site standards and vehicles not equiped will have to wait until a banksman becomes available.
If you ensure that no vehicle is banked for at least an hour the drivers will quickly give feed back to their companies and things will get fixed.
If this still does not work and the companies are happy to wait with their vehicles not moving, then send them on, as you do not have a banksman available, but ask them to either fix the vehicle or bring a second person with them.
If you stick to your guns you will succeed, but their will be pain until the new standards are accepted. Better get management on your side.
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Posted By Paul Duell
I'm not certain the reversing bleeper IS a legal requirement? Certainly in my last job we ran a fleet of lorries which did early morning deliveries in residential areas, and they all had their bleepers disabled. They passed their annual plating tests so I'm guessing they didn't need them.
Of course if your RA has identified you need them that's a different matter...but still be aware of the neighbour issue if your works are taking place near where people live.
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Posted By Dave Wilson Paul, As these drivers employers would be operating this vehicle under a DoT / VOSA 'O' licence it is a condition of that licence that they have to undertake daily vehicle checks and this must be with them in the cab. Ask to see them as if they have written down it is working then they are telling porkies. Have a shifty at this http://www.transportoffi...rds/fleetmaintenance.htm
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Posted By Jim Walker
No its not just you.
However you need to crack down on them - hard!
Beepers & Banksmen do help but are not a total solution. Beepers on their own are next to useless on a busy noisy site.
For the person who was saying their own managers would not wear a crack down. Have a look at "in court" in SHP because every month there are companies like yours listed there.
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Posted By Gra Clarke
Hi Raymond,
Watch what happens if you refuse them entery to your site, sometimes the stick works.
Graham
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Thanks guys for taking the time respond to my thread. Some very useful information and ideas to consider.
I think the problem will have to be pursued on several fronts, but I do like the thought that I may be able enforce good practice through legal requirements.
Regards
Ray
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