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#1 Posted : 18 September 2007 17:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By mike the forky i twisted my wrist this afternoon(18 sept 07) and asked the first aider to log it. i was then told that the boss refused to allow the accident to be entered. (I later recorded the first aider saying he didn't want to wind up the boss) toward the end of the shift i asked the boss directly if i could log the accident and he said he could not find the accident book. (i recorded this conversation on my mobile phone). At the end of the shift i overheard the first aider and boss talking. the boss said he refused because he didn't want me to have time off. Where do i stand with this. I am already on my notice period as i wish to change career and have noticed certain people being funny toward me.
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#2 Posted : 18 September 2007 17:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By jayjay Hi Mike ! Go and see your boss and make the request again. If he refuses to make the entry into the accident book then ask him for an explanation and also request that he gives you an answer in writing. You will probably find he will change his tune. Regards JJ
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#3 Posted : 18 September 2007 18:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By mike the forky thank you
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#4 Posted : 18 September 2007 19:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT Mike being concerned you may have time off has nowt to do with not entering it in the AB; tell him to grow up and do the right thing; you'll need to be subtle as I would presume you need a reference? Charley
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#5 Posted : 18 September 2007 19:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Gerard Marr Firstly the softly softly approach is always good with any Boss. Inform him that an accident book can save him money in the long run as it identifies areas for concern and injuries that are happening and causing Employees to take time off work. Analysis of accident statistics saves money and reduces injuries. Maybe a good point for him. Gerry
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#6 Posted : 18 September 2007 20:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Carl Matthams No matter how trivial your boss may consider the accident, even if you get a tiny scratch it should be entered into the accident book, as a nurse small injuries can have the habbit of becoming more complex,should you require to prove the accident happened at work in the future the first records that will be checked is the firms accident book, if it is not logged you could have a hard job proving your injury occured at work. It must be entered into the accident book and you cannot be penalised for ensuring it is. He should also know where his accident log book is at all times.
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#7 Posted : 19 September 2007 08:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson Look for the legally required H&S poster and make note of the local HSE office - then (politely) tell your boss that if he refuses to allow this accident entry to be placed that you will ring up the HSE directly to inform them of the bad practice. I'll bet that the accident book appears as if by magic !
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#8 Posted : 19 September 2007 09:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman your boss has nothing to say. An accident MUST be recorded. The AB is not his, it is yours. Damn. (how do you spell that ?) If your sprained wrist develops into a permanent disabling injury, (which it could) how do you prove it was work-related ? I reckon that I had about 20 AB entries (before they made me H&S) including the one where the left sleeve of my new mulberry coloured shirt got blown off (replaced by company) Get it down. Get it recorded. Get it on paper. If the AB is not available then write to the HSE. They will be in tomorrow. Merv
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#9 Posted : 19 September 2007 09:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer Quite right Merv, but I would add not only put the record in the accident book but get it countersigned and keep a copy (just in case you may need it in future) and ensure the boss gets a copy ocf it personnally. It sounds like the boss needs to get a life or a visit from the HSE. Regards Bob.
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#10 Posted : 19 September 2007 12:34:00(UTC)
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Posted By Vanessa Moore I agree with Glyn, tell your boss unless you are given access to the accident book, you're local authority will be informed as will the HSE. The HSE would not look kindly on this and the least of his problems will be you having some time off. Remind him it's his legal duty to provide an accident book and for accidents to be recorded. Regardless of wether or not it's your notice period, you still had an injury at your workplace, you're still employed there. Good luck and give him hell!
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#11 Posted : 19 September 2007 13:19:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves "the boss said he refused because he didn't want me to have time off." Nice to be wanted though, isn't it!! Colin
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#12 Posted : 19 September 2007 16:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By jackw. Hi, remember the need to record in an accident book is also part of social security legislatin: The Social Security Administration Act 1992.
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#13 Posted : 19 September 2007 16:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian D. Nobody interested in covertly recording conversations?, these would probability not be misable in any future legal action
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#14 Posted : 19 September 2007 17:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leaman Not admissible in my opinion.. but dependent on information therein it does give the HSE an insight into how the boss operates. I am aware of a similar event happening..A roofing contractor slid off the buildings partially built roof in wet weather.(He was already walking down because it had started to rain..) A senior Manager ordered him taken to hospital in a car to avoid an ambulance. No mention in Accident book allowed. What was the first thing the A&E asked the guy? "How did you do this?". The company looked so stupid when the contractors insurance company got involved.. Moral is: Write it down.
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#15 Posted : 19 September 2007 19:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd At the end of the day (or job), does it matter ? You fill the entry in, it gets detached and then lost. It happens. Who cares ? You may, but that's just one. You're changing job anyway, so why bother ? If you start making trouble it may affect your next employment.
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#16 Posted : 19 September 2007 19:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By mike the forky thanks everyone. i sorted it out today. the AB magically appeared when i told the first aider i was reporting the firm. i didnt report it though but it worked. ive kept personal log too just in case. also, i could'nt care about this job or a reference from it. thanks again. mike
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#17 Posted : 19 September 2007 22:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tony Priest Hi all, When studying for my NEBOSH diploma this topic (reporting accidents into the accident book) was discusses in depth with an HSE inspector whom was lecturing us at that time. The discussion topic was the powers of the enforcing inspectors under H&S Law. The inspector stated that technically the duty to record accidents is covered under the Social Security Administration Act and not the Health and Safety at Work etc Act, and therefore (according to the this inspector) HSE inspectors have no power to ensure that accidents are entered into the accident book! The inspector did however state that all the requirements of RIDDOR must be met and they do have powers to enforce this. It would be interesting if this information that our lecturer gave us is correct, as some of the posts here are suggesting HSE involvement. If what I have wrote is wrong please be kind to me as I am only repeating what was discussed on my course.
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#18 Posted : 19 September 2007 23:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd It is also interesting to note that, according to HSE, many RIDDOR events are not reported. As many as 50% may not be reported. So, a scheme with an avoidance rate of 50% could be said to be useless. As a means of receiving data on accidents, and with many not being reported, it IS useless.
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