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Posted By Andrew J. Boyle
Hi All,
We have three metal scrap bins in the warehouse which are of the FLT one handed tipper type. ie Can be picked up by a FLT carried to the main scrap skip and with one hand can be tipped empty.
My question is, do they come under LOLER regulations? and do they need a SWL sign on?
These were purchased third hand from a bankrupt company and so no records of manufacturer exist, and no marking what so ever are present on the scrap bins.
Any help welcomed
Andrew J. Boyle
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Posted By Andrew J. Boyle
Hi All,
Forgot to add, these scrap bind are quite substantial and can carry approx 1 tonne of scrap each.
Andrew J. Boyle
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Posted By holmezy
Andrew,
not LOLER but definately PUWER. I would think that a SWL is needed but in my experiences, even if completely full of "dense" stuff would not be above the SWL. Depends on condition of the bins and degridation etc. Certainly should be fit for purpose.
Holmezy
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Posted By Andrew J. Boyle
Hi,
I have just started on my H&S training, I have just completed IOSH Managing Safety qual and I am looking forward to completing IOSH/NEBOSH courses.
What would my requirements be to comply with PUWER be.
Apart from checking the scrap bins are safe for use, and are suitable for the job, and only trained people use them, ie people with FLT training, of which, includes training on the scrap bins. Is there anything else I need to do?
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Posted By Dannyc
I would say that it would be classified as an attachment for the FLT as it has been specially designed for this purpose and therefore would be covered under LOLER.
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Posted By Andrew J. Boyle
OK, if it is now covered by LOLER? what do I need to do?
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Posted By holmezy
Andrew,
I'm still of the opinion that scrap bins, whether adapted to be lifted by FLT or not, do not come under the provisions set out in LOLER. Yes, you could argue that they are attachments, however they do not do the actual lifting, they just contain. Would you suggest that all wooden pallets are checked under LOLER? They do need to be fit for purpose, maintained, user checked etc so do come under PUWER.
If others get their scrap bins checked by a registered 3rd party on a 12 monthly basis, then thats their own choice and I would suggest that they spend their money on other things.
Ask your insurance provider or local sling provider.
Holmezy
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Posted By Mitch
Agree with Holmezy, if in any doubt speak to your insurers and ask what their requirements are.
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Posted By Martin Taylor
What about if this scrap bin is not secured and either falls from the forks or dumps it's load due to a malfunction of the tipper mechanism?
I haven't looked at the details of LOLER recently but I would expect that this equipment definitely needs a regular inspection by a competent person - whether this is within the LOLER inspection by your insurer or by your own team - does it matter?
Martin
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Posted By Rich E
We use these fork lift tippers for steel punchings and our insurers come in and inspect them periodically with all the other LOLER stuff.
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Posted By Martin C
It would be easy to fill a large scrap bin with enough weight to overload a FLT. Without a weighing system there is no point in a SWL for the bins. Based on the type of scrap get a bin to suit the truck lift capacity. For some swarf and grinding waste a small bin will be the weight equivalent of a large bin with pieces of pipe. To use existing bins you need to find out what level of typical waste gets it to the truck's maximum capacity and get a maximum load line painted on the bin if it can exceed the max of the truck. The FLT should have its load capacities clearly stated on a plate. I think the FLT loading should be the thing that concerns you most in this case.
Martin
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Posted By Andrew J. Boyle
Hi Everyone,
I finally got hold of our insurers and was told they are NOT covered by LOLER, but as the bins are used in what they called a medium to high capacity (emptied 2-5 times a week) they will be inspected every 12 months as part of their routine site inspection.
Hope that closes this thread, and thanks to everyone who contributed.
I read on another thread that some people on here give advice, and never get a thanks, so THANK YOU AGAIN!!
Have a good afternoon, and remember, tomorrow is FRIDAY!! and Weekend!!
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