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Posted By Seano
Hi everyone,
Is possible for anyone to send me an example of a hot work permit system/procedure that they use?
I am developing one, ideally it will account for an activity that is done 2-3 times a day.
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Posted By CWCaz
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Posted By Seano
Thanks to everyone who has emailed me so far.
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Posted By David Bannister
Hi Seano, my advice is to concentrate on the safe working procedure and to avoid the "Permit" route.
An activity that is done 2/3 times per day is a regular occurrence and appears to be a part of your normal daily routine. As such, to require written permission to carry out the task is inappropriate: it will be seen as another daft H&S paper exercise.
Much better to ensure that the dangerous work is controlled by ingrained procedures, supplemented by alert and informed employees observations.
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Posted By Seano
Thanks for the advice David. I was considering this route in the first instance but after discussing it with various people i was put off the idea.
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Posted By Kevin Kelly
All activities, ESPECIALLY those of a hot work nature, should be permitted regardless of how frequently the task is carried out. The idea of the permit system is to keep the lines of communication open between the worker on the floor and the management. It also focus' everybody on the task at hand by talking throught the job every morning and ensuring that everbody involved understands whats expected of them.
The piece of paper wont revent an accident from happening but communication and having a clear understanding of the hazards associated will.
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Posted By CFT
David
I just knew you would be challenged over the comments you made; I am coming out in support, as with such regular frequency this event requires specific attention to ensure that the entire procedure remains the same safe procedure throughout; one would imagine the whole 9 yds would have been considered and I see little value in firing out up to 750 P'sTW per annum for the same process; not quite certain what it would gain.
I do put out around 25 per annum and will continue to do so with the limited frequency of HW's I currently have.
CFT
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Posted By David Bannister
Thanks, CFT.
Kevin, consider the two scenarios:
1. A paper converters needing a repair to a steel roof support by the in-house maintenance team.
2. An engineering works manufacturing large vessels where welding is done each day, by experienced personnel in a controlled safe manner.
I suggest that the first case is an unarguable case for needing a Permit before the work can be done, whilst the second is an example where the hazards are continually present but dealt with by good practice, not needing specific permits.
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Posted By Nick H
Seano,
Could you give more detail of what the task involves?
One alternative to normal PTW system could be to develop a standard maintenance procedure (SMP) system.
Review the frequent tasks done under PTW & create what is effectively a pre written PTW that can be printed off & issued as required.
The ones we have developed utilise exactly the same control methodology as the standard PTW & are still issued, controlled by authorised PTW writers. Create the document once & review as necessary.
It is important however that good consultation takes place during the document creation to ensure consistent standards are applied.
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Posted By Seano
The activity is white metal socketing. I think the well written and informed procedure could be the best way to conduct this. Rather than the paper chasing piece of paper each time the activity is done.
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