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Posted By Raymond Rapp
The maintenance guys recently painted over our concrete shed road floor to improve the ambiance and safety of the area. Looks very nice. However, the TU h&s rep has complained that it is now slippery, particularly when wet.
The paint apparently has a polyurethane additive which makes it look like an oil based paint. The maintenance guys are adamant that it is not slippery and you know who is stuck between a rock and a hard place!
Rather than go to the trouble of arranging slip testing, has anyone got any ideas?
Thanks in advance.
Ray
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Posted By Steve B
Raymond,
either ask the maintenance guy for the specification of the paint and its normal uses (supplied by the manufacturer) and give it to the safety rep, or stick your maintenance guy in a room with the safety rep and let them discuss it, you act as mediator.
otherwise you will be piggy in the middle passing information backwards and forwards.
regards
Steve
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Posted By Dave Wilson
Ray ask for the spec and it should say what it is used for.
When in BA we used something similar which had granules in it for the hangar floor, however if the floor was not COMPLETELY and I mean COMPLETELY flat and true it settles in puddles and the grains sink and it is really slippy.
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Thanks guys. I have asked for the paint spec but not sure where this will get me.
At the end of the day it is either slippery or it is not. I can see both sides of the argument, but alas, not the solution.
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Posted By Kathy Smith
Hi Ray
I know you said you don't want to go to the trouble of slip testing but it might be worth exploring the option.
The Health & Safety Laboratory do research in this field and I think you can hire slip tesing equipment from them. It's worth contacting them to find out anyway.
Regards
Kathy
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Posted By Stephen Grant
Hi
My experience of anti - slip floor paints is that they are influenced by so many factors that they rarely do what they say on the tin.
If the grit has sunk into the resin in places then your maintenance man could just have it etched to remove the excess resin and reveal the grit. That might improve the grip but reduce the pristine floor look.
Are they wearing the same footwear?
If roadway is internal, what cleaning / drying regime is in place?
The surtronic duo by Taylor Hobson - www.spectrum-metrology.co.uk/surffloor.htm - is quite good. The HSE tested it on one of my old sites in conjunction with a pendulum test rig and the results obtaind on a variety of dry/wet/contaminated floor surfaces were similar and a good indicator of the actual slip resistance of each surface type in wet, dry or contaminated conditions.
Final point -does the safety rep have any positive solutions he can offer rather than just picking fault?
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Posted By Colin Reeves
And to make it worse - had a surface that was clearly slippery when wet (steel deck outside) as the old non-slip surfacing had worn off. Last refit this was corrected and it is now non-slip - excellent thought I.
Had to deal with an accident report last week of a kiddy falling (as they do!!) and badly grazing his hand on the non-slip deck .....
Looking for a brick wall to bang my head.
Colin
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Posted By Crim
Raymond,
I had exactly the same problem a few years back at a factory where the concrete floors were being painted, once wet with rain water being carried in on peoples shoes they became treacherous.
This then became a battle between maintenance dept and myself, they blamed incorrect footwear and would not budge until I took the increased slips, trips and falls accident statistics to the plant manager who made a decision to paint over the painted surfaces with correct anti slip paint.
The grit in the paint was damaged by fork lift trucks and it looked shabby in no time at all anyway.
It was just a shame that people had to slip and hurt themselves before action was taken.
All I can suggest you do is write to the people responsible for painting the floors recommending they take some other action, and keep your accident records to show them they are wrong to ignore you.
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Posted By Glen Coe
If it is a small shed, paint it again and chuck some sand on it, probably cheaper than hiring slip test equipment.
Also check footwear, I had the same problem, but the guys had oil and grease all over their boots!
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
Some interesting thoughts and thanks again.
I look forward to receiving the paint spec when I return to work (been off with a man-cold) but I am not convinced the h&s rep does not have a valid point. I certainly don't want to wait until accidents start happening before I do anything!
The painted shed road area is quite large and is used for stabling several trains. Hence the reluctance of the maintenance team to accept they have made a booboo. Why they could not have run the idea past me first I don't know, but if push comes to shove I will arrange a slip test. Now someone is going to have a red face...let's hope it is not me!
Ray
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Posted By Martin C
Some painted floors lose some of their sliperyness after some use. I have noticed that cleaning with a machine with rotating brushes or buffing pads accelerates this process. Maybe a trial with a suitable floor cleaner will confirm this to be the case then just arrange full cleaning at reduced intervals for a short period. If the problem is the result of water or other fluids on the floor introduce an agresive clean floor policy and try to reduce the posibility of contamination of the floor in the first place.
Martin
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