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Posted By Phillip Kirby
hi,
can anyone point me in the direction of recommended driving hours for company car drivers, either per day or weekly.
cheers
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Posted By Andy Farrall
Hi Phillip,
Have you tried the RoSPA site? Just a thought.
Andy
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Posted By Phillip Kirby
yeah i have thanks, theres some good stuff but nothing very specific on hours (unless i've missed it). i'm sure i've read somewhere that if the driving hours exceed 4, then the working day should be less than 11 hours in total but i'm jiggered if i can find that reference again.
thanks anyway
Phil
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Posted By Stefan Daunt
I've recently looked into this issue as i manage a fleet of commercial van drivers.
I contacted all of the major driving authorities and the editor of a van user magazine. There is no formal legislation on vehicles under 3.5t, vehicles over this are regulated by tachograph and drivers hours rules.
I have taken a 9 hr driving day and a 15 hr working day as per the hgv regs. Obviously this is hard to enforce, we use time sheets with hrs driven etc included. I monitor the drivers hrs on a spreadsheet that I created and it's a matter of determining whether or not they are having a sufficient sleep between working days.
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Posted By Phillip Kirby
thanks, just as i feared.
i have clients whose employees are regularly driving by 5am, maybe 150-200 miles, doing 10hrs work then driving home. and often doing it all again the next day. i've voiced my concerns and possible solutions but was looking for some written backup
Phil
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Posted By Doug Russell
Stefan
For commercial van drivers (not company car drivers) there are UK Domestic Driving Rules that apply to vehicles under 3.5 tonnes - basically no more than 10 hours driving and no more than 11 hours work per day. However there is no means of measuring their hours because thye don't have to have a tacho and there appears to be no enforcement of the domestic rules. These drivers are also covered by an amendment to the Working Time Regs that entitles them to 'adequate' rest - whatever that means! See the VOSA guide to drivers hours and tachograph rules.
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Posted By Paul Timms
Don't the working time regs apply here. Travel to work is included and a minimum break between shifts/max hours per shift all apply. I forget the exact figures but someone here will know.
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Posted By paul sykes
there are no time restrants on driving a car
in the uk only lgv vehicles
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Posted By Bob
Philip,
My MD recommends as many as you can possibly manage and more!
(sorry to be flippant but it is Friday evening and I'm into my second cold one already)
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Posted By Mitch
As good practise we apply the CE drivers hours that came into effect on 11.04.07 for all our drivers (cars and vans only)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Phil
The 4 hour and 11 hour is buried in the WT Directive as enacted into UK law.
I think any challenge in court where this is followed is likely to fall and vice cersa.
Bob
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Posted By Merv Newman
our company rule is 600 Km (400 miles) and/or a 10 hour day.
You can drive 200 miles to a 2/3 hour meeting then go back home the same day.
Or, if you have to do 400 miles to get there, then you go the night before, sleep over, do the meeting and then drive home.
Merv
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Posted By Emma Righton-Corrick, Dip2OSH, CMIOSH, MInstLM
Hi Philip
There might be some good info in the Rospa/Brake - Managing Occupational Road Risk (MORR) document.
I used to use it in my last job as I was a fleet manager (amongst other things), the document is guidance only but good guidance and Im sure it states in there some restrictions regarding hours for driving.
Other than that you might find using the lorry drivers requirements as a good rule of thumb too.
Hope that helps.
Ems
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Posted By Phillip Kirby
thanks for all that guys, gives me plenty to go on.
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Posted By stephen johnson
Hi Phillip,
Just wondering how you got on with your quest to find the rules/law regarding drivers hours?
I used to be a Transport Operations manager for the Forces and if you are still struggling I could give you an idea of how we controlled it along with the regulations and laws that govern its use.
Steve
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