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#1 Posted : 03 October 2007 20:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sally
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/...hern_ireland/7026851.stm

So should there have been a risk assessment to prevent this or was it one of those accidents that we have to accept will occasionally happen if we follow the concepts of 'sensible health and safety' and 'saving lives, not stopping living'
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#2 Posted : 03 October 2007 21:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phillip
There is no place for foolishness in the workplace.

Did the Mayor even consider the feelings of the young lady? Why should she have to have someone senior jump over her just for the gratification of photographers.
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#3 Posted : 03 October 2007 21:35:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merv Newman
Oh dear. One of life's calamities strikes again. My sympathies to the young lady and to the man who injured her.

Yes, as a public event it should have been risk assessed. A 20 stone man (grossly exagerated I do acknowledge) suddenly striking a young person with full weight on the shoulders is a foreseeable risk of injury. Kids do leap-frogging often but they are usually of about the same weight and physical capacities.

I used to collapse dramatically.

One problem is that "the press" are looking for dramatic pictures. And they want them now !

And we all want our photies in the papers don't we ? So we do it.

My last newspaper photo was of me being kissed by a rather gorgeous/dramatic soprano opera singer.

(copies on request)

My wife (out of shot) was always within three inches of my hands. (Dynamic Risk Assessment)(she's quite good at that, like any wife)

Merv

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#4 Posted : 04 October 2007 10:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
Sally wrote "So should there have been a risk assessment to prevent this"

If I had done the risk assessment, I doubt it would have stopped the activity - it might have led to the tomato ducking though.

The jumper should have made sure the appropriate level of ducking was achieved before leaping, but really a leapfrog is not an overly risky event normally is it?

It needed a little more communication, that's all: "Stay there, I'm jumping this time.."
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#5 Posted : 04 October 2007 11:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
I think it said on the BBC this morning that there had been a few 'practice jumps' before the photo was taken - guess he got tired and couldn't lift his legs so well????!!!!
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#6 Posted : 04 October 2007 15:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By BB
Shocking.

I once sustained bruised plums whilst performing a similar manoeuvre in the name of alcohol and behaviour related research.

Ahem.



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#7 Posted : 04 October 2007 15:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lulu
It was not a reasonably forseeable event.

However in light of these events I am certainly going to update all my dressing up as a fruit risk assessments now.

It will also effect my dressing up as a vegetable risk assessment (except possibly carrot as I don't think even the most athletic mayor could manange the clearance)

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#8 Posted : 04 October 2007 16:02:00(UTC)
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Posted By BB
Yes Lulu,

I think a number of us will need to ketchup on our RA reviews.

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#9 Posted : 04 October 2007 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lulu
good one
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#10 Posted : 04 October 2007 16:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Lilian McCartney
well done BB and Lulu.

I'm exhausted today and you've sent me home with a smile on my face!
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#11 Posted : 04 October 2007 20:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald
For those at the forefront of health and safety this event was easibly foreseeable. For those who found it wasn't then you need to ketchup.
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#12 Posted : 04 October 2007 20:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald
Sorry, must read all responses before jumping in.
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#13 Posted : 05 October 2007 09:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeffrey Watt
Heirarchy of control
Eliminate all politicians.
Substitute all politicians for fitter more dynamic models, then eliminate them.
Reduce the size of faux fruit.
Isolate the faux fruit or put politician in airtight box.
Local extraction (Special branch snatch squad should do)
PPE..tazer for stunning incoming politician.
Training...just training nothing specific, just down there at the end of every risk assessment

Kind regards

Jeff
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#14 Posted : 05 October 2007 09:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Julian Wilkinson
Joking aside, surely this has to be 'one of those things' perhaps it was foreseeable but if you had carried out a risk assessment for 'leapfrog' and advised the mayor 'it's too dangerous don't do it!'

what would have the BBC or media made of it? they would have a field day with conkers bonkers headlines

sometimes i think we have to accept human nature and there is always a chance someone may injure themselves
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#15 Posted : 05 October 2007 09:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Sally
Julian has picked up on what i think is a key point.

If we are going to move away from the conkers bonkers we also have to move away from the idea that the only acceptable level of injuries is zero. Sometimes people get hurt - our job is to stop them getting badly hurt or killed.

I bet every year a number of children get smacked in the eye by a conker but we all agree that goggles is OTT
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