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#1 Posted : 05 October 2007 10:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tim Corbett
I just wondered if it was only me but I have noted little if any changes over CDM94. This still include Clients who want to start on Monday, Contractors who are supposed to be competent but still have paper work for Work @ Height dated 2001 and Designers who cut and paste design risk assessments and tell you that's it! and go off in a huff when you question anything. The only good thing is that CDMC seem to be able to demand their own salary or is that just a illusion?
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#2 Posted : 05 October 2007 10:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jim Walker
Tim,

Yep you seem to have summed it up prety well.

Certainly there is MORE paperwork - remind me? was it not the point of the new CDM to reduce this.
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#3 Posted : 05 October 2007 10:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT
Tim

This is going to take time; an over stretched enforcement agency is hardly going to be pro active in ensuring CDM 2007 is followed to the letter; if you break it down it is quite different, sadly it won't actually make a scrap of difference until examples are made; if ever!

CFT
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#4 Posted : 05 October 2007 11:06:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Tim,

It should not be long before a sharp designer points out that there is no such thing as "design risk assessments" within the 2007 CDM
regulations or the ACOP L144.

My experience is that the gulf between the best and poor CDM practice is widening fast.
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#5 Posted : 05 October 2007 11:15:00(UTC)
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Posted By Arran Linton - Smith
Tim,

It should not be long before a sharp designer points out that there is no such thing as "design risk assessments" within the 2007 CDM
regulations or the ACOP L144.

My experience is that the gulf between the best and poor CDM practice is widening fast.

In my experience CDMCs are best appointed at the concept phase of a design project and the value that they add to a project fast falls off if they are appointed after planning consent has been granted.
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#6 Posted : 05 October 2007 11:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap
I tend to find the people that really matter. Don't really know wats going on. I'm still struggling to get answers from clients because my contracts managers are afraid to ask for some reason
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#7 Posted : 05 October 2007 11:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Jeff Manion
We act as independent safety advisers.

We have seen an increase in enquiries for the CDM C role. Previously we had a few enquiries to act as the PS.

However, we have very few instructions. We are not creating that we have no instructions, we are concerned that things will be rush rush etc.

On many of these enquiries works - design has commenced, planning applied and given, general works has started on site i.e. clearing etc. Contractors are being asked to bid.

Another designer has issued the tender documents, due for return next week, we were asked last week, we viewed the project scope this week, we have seen the documents sent to the contractors, today 5th Oct, we have no instruction, we understand others have been asked to bid for the CDM role.

Some clients still do not wish to know.

Some of the architects have taken from us idea of fees and passed them on, some have decided to continue without advising client, some have advised client and client has not pursued.

One stated we are to busy to be concerned about all that health and safety stuff.

One who has instructed us - the design was considerably advanced and our role has been a tidying of flow of information, the initial design was considered as far back as two years and now, has reached a stage where planning is being requested. The designer (architect) has considered many aspects but has to date not documented.

JM
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