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#1 Posted : 23 October 2007 09:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mike Palfrey
In Birmingham, the Council has seemingly appointed APCOA to enforce the parking regulations.

There are now a swarm of suitably high-vizzed parking attendants all mounted on some sort of motor scooter and without exception they are all displaying L plates.

So, by definition they are not deemed competent to operate the scooter as they have not passed a driving test.

Is the scooter work equipment in the same way as an FLT or similar piece of workplace transport? An “unlicensed” FLT driver would be frowned upon and his/her employer probably prosecuted.

Does the Council or their employer not have a duty of care to ensure the competence of employees – especially when on the public highway and potentially putting other road users at risk?

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#2 Posted : 23 October 2007 11:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Grace
Mike,
Not deemed competent to drive a scooter..??

Surely the "law of the land" relating to motor vehicles allows people to ride small, low capacity two wheeled motor vehicles without an instructor - provided they have passed their CBT - Compulsory Basic Training and display L plates....?

Phil
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#3 Posted : 23 October 2007 12:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By holmezy

The law of the land does indeed allow folks to ride motorcycles, scooters etc after a CBT, however the H+S laws require
1) information - "its that red one there, here's the keys, off you go, don't break it"
2)Instruction - ride around these cones for a few hours, then answer a few questions and Ill follow you around the block"
3)Training - " you need to slow down, speed up, stop, pick the bike up and dust yourself off like this"
4)supervision - ???

Also, I wonder how many postmen have passed a cycling proficiency test?

Suppose we'll only get a definitive answer when theres been an accident involving a traffic warden on a scooter.

Holmezy
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#4 Posted : 23 October 2007 16:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ali
I though they could ride with an L plate under 50 cc ? If used on public highways then Road Traffic law takes precedence. If used on private property then Puwer takes precedence (not Loler - not classed as lifting equipt)in which case risk assessment process is required.
Ali
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#5 Posted : 23 October 2007 16:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By The toecap
I wonder what their insurance company thinks. You can ride upto a 125cc on L plates so long as you have passed the CBT and the CBT only lasts for 2 years.
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#6 Posted : 24 October 2007 00:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Murgatroyd
But they are riding "company" vehicles.
If they were private transport then only the rta would be relevant.
So, if the "company" is providing the vehicle it must also be providing the insurance.
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#7 Posted : 24 October 2007 08:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phil Grace
I accept Holmezy's and others comments - there are additional duties if equipment is provided by the employer...!

But, conincidently I spotted something on regional news programme last night. A policeman (or community support officer - I didn't catch which) is carrying out some sort of "spy in the sky" surveillance over Milton Keynes using his own microlight. Yes, I did hear it correctly, his own aircraft....!

I think that's taking things too far...
Phil
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