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Posted By p winter
I do not have the acop to hand - can anyone advise please on the following. We have been appointed as Principal Contractor and find when supplied with Pre construction information it was formatted as old style Pre Tender plan, this we felt we could cope with. When we submitted our Construction Phase Plan -we were told to remove references to CDM Coordinator and replace them with Planning Supervisor - the reason given being that the job commenced (at planning stage) before the new CDM regs. WE have now been asked to sign an old style F10 - not happy about this as the new version requires clients signature. Its also late.
What would you do?
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
There was no transition for the elimination of the PS role - It disappeared on 6th April 2007 so somebody needs to give proper advice to a client somewhere. Secondly there was no transition for the new F10. If the job had not been previously or late notified the new form is required. If the old notification is to be updated the new F10 is used.
Bob
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Posted By JEB
I am in agreement with Robert. In your position I would advise the client that the CDM-C (PS) is not competent in the new regs.
John (CDM-C FaPS)
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Posted By AHS
Agree with Robert but John how can you say the old PS is not competent as a CDM C s/he may well be.
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Posted By p winter
Thank you all for your responses which are very helpful. My feeling is the CDM Coordinator - although a competent consultant on other matters - is not fully aware of the requirements.
Difficulty is he gave us the work and the commercial chaps don't want to upset him. So this needs a bit of care.
Thanks agaoin for taking the trouble to respond
Pete
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
If he is unaware of the regulatory changes methinks it may be a pointer to lack of competence
Bob
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Posted By AHS
Robert/John
Yes you are right if its the CDMC and not someone else ie Client/Project manager making the requests.
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Posted By p winter
Just to confirm - I should have said the requests are coming from CDMC - who is continuing to refer to himself as the Planning Supervisor.
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Posted By NMC
I really troubles me when I continually hear people struggling so badly with obvious changes to the new Regs. If a good PS worked as such, under the old regs for a good few years and has sufficiently up-dated / researched and trained for the new CDM-C role, these issues should not be happening.
The CDM-C is such a pivital role in the success of the new Regs, but with constant stories of CDM-C's incorrectly quoting the Regs, using old terminology and generally spreading myths and confusion, the real positive change that these Regs should bring, will be lost.
(Steps down from box)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
NMC
We would all want to step onto your box though. This is the type of problem that bedevilled CDM 94 and it still exists today.
Bob
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Posted By JEB
"AHS", if this particular CDM-C/PS is still using the old F10 and still using the PS name then he/she is not competent as these are basic changes, what other changes to the regulations are they not aware of. "Pete", yes handle with care but don't let the financial implications cloud your legal responsibilities, the HSE will not take that into account should something go wrong.
John
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Posted By p winter
Thanks to you for your responses - much appreciated.
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