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Posted By Nickb
We are small H&S training firm and are considering investing considerable time and money in preparing for and obtaining accreditation for offering either IOSH M/Safely in Construction or the CITB SMSTS Course. Our preference is to go the IOSH route because there are fewer onerous hoops to jump through.
Those of you in Construction will be aware that the section on competence in Appendix 4 of the CDM 2007 makes reference to the CITB SMSTS course. HSE Inspectors are also punting this course in the course of their duties.
My question is has the IOSH course any credibility or is it not worth pursuing.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Nickb
The real problem for the IOSh courses is that the CITB have for a long time refused to give grant aid for them - They wrongly considered them as professional courses not H&S training. The HSE are now totally blinkered in the construction environment to the CITB courses and the NEBOSH Construction Cert.
For most managers the IOSH courses give a great deal of useful management type assistance. Having said that I provide both as requested, but at least I can make the ISOH course more bespoke to the organisation - not so with the CITB courses.
Bob
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Is that the new MS or old one Bob?
I hear tell the new one cannot be customised...
Alan
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
It was the old one. Even the new one I think will need some flexibility or it will wither on the vine. I was always concerned that a degree of flexibility needed to be maintained.
Bob
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Posted By John Caboche
I would plump for the CITB course over the IOSH one, the CITB is actually cheaper to accredit for (unless IOSH have changed the price.....), and you accredit for the whole "site safety plus" suite rather than just the single course. That includes the one day awareness course and the two day supervisors course as well as the 5 day SMSTS.
With the CITB course you write your own material and are not constrained to the course format/style stipulated by IOSH, it is more widely recognised in the construction industry as has been pointed out above and construction companies are actively seeking it due to it's inclusion in the CDM ACoP.
You have to give all candidates a copy of the CITB GE700 and XA6 - which are excellent publications but are an expensive overhead - but if I recall correctly IOSH recommend "Principles of Health and Safety at Work" by Allan St John Holt, also excellent, but maybe at too high a level for a VQ level 2 course which these are, and not as relevent to construction.
I used to be a trainer for the IOSH MS course and am currently a trainer for the CITB course (and have been for some time) and would recommend that one every time.
Personal point of view only I might add - I am not rubbishing IOSH, I just happen to prefer the CITB (now Construction Skills) course for the reasons mentioned above.
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Posted By Bruce Sutherland
Hi chaps
by the way greetings Mr Caboche - twice in one day.....
for what it is worth.....
SMSTS is for the construction industry and this is probably the largest market - as John says it is your course which with all hats off to our marvellous instiution is to my independent way of thinking very important - though there is more stipulation than previously. What I suggest you do is simply see who else is offering what in your area. There are some very good points re the CITB scheme but do watch this idea that trainers will need to have some form of formal training qualification.... oh and know all about construction .... and a little bit of health and safety. Obviously GE 700 is brilliant as I have written much of it!!!!!! (No seriously .... there are however some issues regarding how GE700 and the XA6 fit into the course
Regards
Bruce
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