Posted By GT Johno, if someone is using the loo, and naturally locks the door and matters become protracted how do you or anyone get out. No jokes please!! Gt

Posted By Ian_P When is a room a room?!!! We had the same issue with our new build and shower rooms / toilets within an inner locker room. The visiting fire officer did not regard these as inner 'rooms' due to the fact that only one person (hopefully!) would be using them at any one time for short periods of time (debatable!!) Your absolutely right, the guidance is not that clear on this subject, and does not seem to cover WC's as being rooms, however your Fire Risk Assessment should determine it acceptable if: -The risk is reduced by having adequate fire detection and alarms in the 'outer' room. -Only one person is using the W.C.! (the guidance says no more than 60 people should use inner rooms.......!!!) -There is a gap at the top of the toilet wall / door so that people can become alerted to smoke. -The outer room is not of high risk (this is why it is so important that toilets are not used as a cleaners store for chemicals!) Ian

Posted By Bob Shillabeer Hi everyone, Just to reiterate a previous comment, where you have toilets with inner doors as long as the toilet is fitted with an alarm sounder you areOk due mainly to the short use of the romm and the relatively low number of persons who will be there. It's a matter of risk levels, I don't know anyone who stays there for very long.

Posted By pat merchant Johno Whats an inner room? is it an office,toilet,store room or shower? My understanding is that it is an area that is occupied for work,living,eating or rest. Most areas such as offices etc have to be accessed by a door leading to a corridor for means of fire escape or have more than one escape such as an outer door. showers and toilets on the other hand usually are rooms within rooms within office blocks. Legislation usually is for new builds and does not expect you to alter you building but does expect you to take into account fire regs such as emergency lighting and alarm sounders. Any new buids and you will have to consider such things as disabilities regs,any new fire regs etc. It is good practice to design new builds to take into account all of the issues and abide by the regs even if planning permission is not required Pat

Posted By Johno Hi, Yeah, the WC is inside the inner room. I suspected that they didnt count as rooms as they arent occupied. I am just having difficulty justifying the offices when we have no automatic fire alarm that can be heard inside the offices. Especially as they are a confusing layout. Thanks for the clarification.

Posted By Johno it does, I dont want to go into detail though where the company can be identified.

Posted By Johno I have realised that I can hide my email address after I made that post. What were you thinking of?