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Posted By Stephen Sherratt
On one of our sites the Principal Contractor wants us to issue permits to work once we put power on to the equipment.
I feel confident that we should not be required to issue permits to work as just one of the many works contractors; however we should be a signatory to the Principal Contractors permits but certainly we should Not be the Issuer. Comments please
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Posted By CFT
There is no reason why you can't and no reason to assume you would work to the PC's PTW system although it does tend to make life easier all round with one central point to work from.
I can't categorically say if the PTW is right and proper for you with the limited description provided; at the end of the day it really does not make a hapeth of difference what I think, if the PC wants it under PTW then so be it; as a yard stick, up to the supply I don't permit, beyond it I do.
All the best
CFT
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
You can however make sure your permit does not permit the PC unfettered access if you control the permit.
Bob
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Posted By Adrian
If this is a CDM site and the principle contractor has identified in his construction phase plan that he is going to use PTWs then he has the right to do so the only problem that I see with more than one issuer is that there could be a conflict in PTWs and therefore make the situation more hazardous.
Adrian
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Posted By Stephen Sherratt
Many thanks, you have all confirmed my first instinct and indeed it is madness for all works contactors to be issuing their own permits. PTW must be centrally managed and coordinated. The base cause of Piper Alpha was duplicate and uncontrolled PTW
Thanks again Steve
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Stephen
Don't forget however that some specialist works need contractors who understand it to run the permits. Radiography, live substation work and live power work come to mind immediately so all is not clear cut.
Bob
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Posted By Stephen Sherratt
Bob,
Thanks for that and you are absolutely right about specialist work however my Electrical Work Risk Assessments are all clear that on no account will we expect or require work coming into contact with live parts and all components are shrouded to IP20 we expressly forbid “live Working” and concentrate on a safe system of isolation, Lock out and Tag out.
Thanks again Stephen
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