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#1 Posted : 02 November 2007 13:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phillip
Why under H&S law is the accused guilty until he can prove he is innocent?
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#2 Posted : 02 November 2007 13:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Technically the burden of proof is reversed the presumption of non guilt is however the same way round.

If you plead not guilty then you have to show that you did was reasonably practicable. It is an important distinction.

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#3 Posted : 02 November 2007 14:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Bob,

My understanding is that the prosecution must prove that you are guilty beyond reasonable doubt; you then prove that you took all reasonably practical measures etc, where this defence is available, on the balance of probabilities. There is therefore no reversal of the burden of proof.

Regards Adrian

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#4 Posted : 02 November 2007 14:36:00(UTC)
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Posted By CFT


Surely this is where the court has to make it's decision based on the reasonable practicability of the situation/event, and for the defendant to show that he did everything that was SFAIRP, which by supposition if nothing else concludes that the defendant is technically guilty, because he must now prove that he did in fact do all that was reasonably practicable, the actual interpretation of this can only be made by a Court of Law in consideration of any particular case, it is rare in our laws to be technically guilty first; it does however default to this because of terminology used.

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#5 Posted : 02 November 2007 15:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen
Philip, and others,

It is not correct to say that under health and safety law that the burden of proof is reversed. In criminal law the burden of proof is “beyond reasonable doubt”. The HSW Act is no different from any other statute in that respect.

Where it is different is where the duty is to do something “so far as is reasonably practicable”, then it is for the accused to prove that in fact it was not reasonably practicable to have done something, rather than for the prosecution to prove that the accused should have done that thing.

Every other part of the charge against the accused is the same and must be proven beyond reasonable doubt, for instance identity of the accused, date, time and place of the offence, that a duty was owed, for instance by employment, and so on. I have seen prosecutions under the HSW Act fail for all of these reasons long before the discussion on reasonable practicability got under way.

“Balance of probabilities” is the burden of proof for civil cases – a lower standard of proof than under the criminal law. If “beyond reasonable doubt” means that the court must be 99% certain, balance of probabilities is probably something like 55/45.

That you are guilty until proven innocent under the HSW Act is a common misconception.
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#6 Posted : 02 November 2007 15:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Coshh Assessor
Some confusion here between "burden of proof" and "standard of proof" - you need to sort that out before you can have the argument.

Burden of proof = who has to do the proving (prosecution or defence)

Standard of proof = how good the proof has to be (beyond reasonable doubt or balance of probabilities)
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#7 Posted : 03 November 2007 17:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chris Packham
One further comment to add to the confusion. "So far as reasonably practicable" does not apply to the Control of Substances Hazardous to Health. Regulation 2 of COSHH covers this. An employer is required to eliminate exposure or "where this is not reasonably practicable adequately control". The SFARP does not appear to apply to adequately control, only to eliminate.

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#8 Posted : 03 November 2007 18:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brian Welch
For those interested I remember this article on reasonable practicability in the SHP a few years back, which may help your train of thought?

REASONABLE PRACTICABILITY

Regulation 21 of the Management of Health and Safety at Work Regulations 1999 (MHSWR) provides that any act or default of an employee will not "afford an employer a defence" when being prosecuted for a health and safety breach. The Regulation was designed to prevent employers escaping conviction by blaming the exposure to risks on the failures of its employees.

An employer has a duty under sections 2 and 3 of the HSWA 1974 respectively to ensure employees and non-employees are not exposed to risks to their health and safety "so far as is reasonably practicable". Section 40 provides a defence to a criminal prosecution if the defendant employer can prove it was "not reasonably practicable to do more than in fact was done".

The article concluded by saying…

Around 80 per cent of work-related accidents involve human error. The HSE's publication Reducing error and influencing behaviour (HSG 48) makes it clear human error is risk that has to be assessed like any other, and appropriate control measures put in place.

An employee who has failed will not automatically provide a defence to a prosecution of an employer if that employer's safety systems are found to be wanting.

Full article in Jul 2006 issue if you haven’t binned it yet.

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#9 Posted : 05 November 2007 10:01:00(UTC)
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Posted By Raymond Rapp
The original thread asked 'why guilty until proven innocent?' but with respect, no one has provided a definitive answer.

The legal doctrine is is referred to as 'Strict Liability,' which basically means the prosecution does not have to prove there was 'intent', only that the accused by their act or omission breached a duty. In most other non-regulatory criminal law, the prosecution has to prove both the intent (mens rea) and act (actus reus) was carried out by the accused. Hence in effect an accused is guilty until proven innocent.

The concept of strict liability is not without its critics. However, common sense dictates that if the prosecution had to prove intent for regulatory offences, very few prosecutions would be successful.

An 'absolute duty' is similar but not the same as a strict liability, which has a defence of reasonably practical (s40 HSWA) and foreseeability. An absolute duty has no such defence.

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#10 Posted : 05 November 2007 10:20:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS
It is not quite a strict liability offence and section 40 HSWA has been recently redefined.

http://www.dwf.co.uk/downloadfile.aspx?ID=311
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#11 Posted : 05 November 2007 11:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Phillip

I really appreciate your answers - very informative. What prompted me to post the question was the following extract taken from the Fire order Guidance Note No1:enforcement


Article 34 – Onus of proving limits of what is reasonably practicable
154. Article 34 provides that in any proceedings for an offence under the Order consisting of
a failure to comply with a duty or requirement, so far as is reasonably practicable, it is
for the accused to prove that it was not reasonably practicable to do more than was in
fact done to satisfy the duty or requirement.
155. What this means in practice is a change from previous fi re law. The effect is that it is for
the responsible person to prove what he has done is suffi cient in the circumstances.
Under previous laws, such as the Fire Precautions Act 1971, the enforcing authority had
to prove that it was not suffi cient.
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#12 Posted : 05 November 2007 12:28:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Dear All,

The burden of proving the guilt of the defendant lies on the prosecution, who must prove the particulars of the offence beyond reasonable doubt.

A court will look at the wording of the statutory provision to decide which party has the obligation, i.e. "the burden", to prove the different facts in issue.

The words "shall" or "shall not", used in statutory provisions, impose an absolute obligation to do, or not to do, the act in question.

Where a duty holder is required to do what is "reasonably practicable" or "practicable", after the prosecution has established a prima facie case, the prosecutor will allege that the defendant has not done all that is reasonably practicable to reduce the risk to health and safety.

It is then for the defendant to show on balance of probabilities (the "civil law standard") that it was not practicable or reasonably practicable to do more to control the risk than was in fact done.

It will be for the court to decide as a question of fact, based on the evidence, whether or not something was practicable or reasonably practicable.

In no case in english law is a person presumed guilty before the judgeemnt of the court!

Regards Adrian

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#13 Posted : 09 February 2008 12:52:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cormac
I read this with interest only just now and found this info on the HSE web site recently as a result of trying to find the answer to this exact question. The HSE web site was very helpful and I suspect that once the facts of the case are established by the prosecution (beyond reasonable doubt), it is then for the defendant to prove (on the balance of probabilities - because it is a reverse burden scenario)they did all that was reasonably practicable, where that legal qualification is stipulated in the section of the act or under a particular regualtion being determined. I was quite surprised to see that under section 40 because it is a reverse burden scenario, the defendant only had to establish their innocence on the balance of probabilities (a civil law scenario) rather than beyond reasonable doubt (a criminal law scenario).

Hope this helps and sorry if it has already been answered elsewhere.

http://www.hse.gov.uk/en...de/court/rules/prove.htm

Proving the Offence
Rules of Evidence
Trial process
Proving offence
Key rules
What is Evidence?
Fact finding in the trial
The burden of proof
"Reverse burdens"
Legal and evidential burdens
Advance rebuttal
What is Evidence?
1. Evidence is information that may be presented to persuade the court of the probability of the truth of some fact asserted in the case, i.e. information by which facts tend to be proved or disproved.

Fact finding in the trial
2. Facts at issue in criminal cases are those that the prosecution must prove if it is to succeed, together with any facts that the defendant may wish to raise in his/her defence. The facts that the prosecution must prove are all the elements of the offence. Examples of facts that may need to be proved are:

o the identity of the defendant;

o whether the defendant is an employer;

o whether the defendant owes a statutory duty for the undertaking in question.

3. The elements of an offence equate to entries on the evidence matrix on the word-processed prosecution report template.

4. A trial is a fact-finding exercise and, with its verdict, the court makes a decision as to whether facts are proved. Fact finding might appear to be straightforward: the two parties come before the court with their versions of the facts in dispute, whereupon the court embarks upon a discovery of the truth by taking into account all relevant evidence put before it. However, there are rules that govern the way the court reaches its verdict - rules of evidence, such as the hearsay rule, and rules of procedure. These rules are necessary to ensure that a defendant is not unfairly convicted i.e. to ensure that a fair trial takes place.

The burden of proof
5. The burden of proving the guilt of the defendant lies on the prosecution, who must prove the particulars of the offence beyond reasonable doubt, i.e. so that the jury or magistrates are sure.

6. A key question for consideration is which party has the obligation, i.e. "the burden", to prove the different facts in issue. A court will look primarily at the wording of the statutory provision when making this decision.

7. The words "shall" or "shall not", used in statutory provisions, impose an absolute obligation to do, or not to do, the act in question. It is not possible for a defendant to argue that it is impracticable, difficult or even impossible to do it, or not to do it. For example, section 7 HSWA states:

"It shall be the duty of every employee while at work -

a. to take reasonable care for the health and safety of himself and of other persons who may be affected by his acts or omissions at work; and

b. as regards any duty or requirement imposed on his employer or any other person by or under any of the relevant statutory provisions, to co-operate with him so far as is necessary to enable that duty or requirement to be performed or complied with."

8. This section by the use of the word "shall" therefore imposes absolute duties on the employee. Once the prosecution has proved an employee did not take reasonable care etc the offence 1 is proved, whether or not the defendant realised that what s/he was doing was not good enough.

9. The duty set out at section 7 (a) HSWA is to take "reasonable care". There is a distinction between the duty to take reasonable care and the duty to ensure health and safety "as far as reasonably practicable".

10. Under the HSWA and the relevant regulations, a duty holder is frequently required to do what is "reasonably practicable" or "practicable" to achieve a safe system of work. In these situations, section 40 HSWA provides that once the prosecution has established a prima facie case, i.e the elements of the offence have been proven, the burden is then on the defendant to satisfy the court that it was not practicable or reasonably practicable to do more to control the risk than was in fact done. This applies only to offences consisting of a failure to comply with a duty so far as practicable or so far as reasonably practicable. It is at this stage that forseeability becomes relevant. It is not practicable to take precautions against a danger which is not known to exist, although once the danger is known, it becomes practicable to do something about it. The standard of practicability is that of current knowledge and invention.

11. "Reasonably practicable" is a lesser standard than "practicable". It implies that the duty holder must balance the level of risk against the measures needed to avert the risk, whether in money, time or trouble. If the risk is insignificant to the sacrifice, the defendant will discharge the duty, and will have done all that was reasonable 2. Where the standard is one of "practicable" the duty holder should do what is necessary to reduce the risk regardless of the cost, (in time or money).

12. It will be for the court to decide as a question of fact, based on the evidence that can be adduced, whether or not something was practicable or reasonably practicable. The Court of Appeal have ruled that proof that a certain measure was not reasonably practicable, as per section 40 HSWA, is an essential ingredient of the offence 3 and this burden falls to the defence.

13. HSE as the prosecutor will allege in relevant breaches of legislation that the defendant has not done all that is reasonably practicable to reduce the risk to health and safety. It is then for the defence to show on balance of probabilities (the "civil law standard") that they did all that was reasonably practicable

"Reverse burdens"
14. When the burden of proof is on the defendant to disprove a particular issue it is often referred to as a "reverse burden", because it reverses the normal situation when the prosecution must prove the facts beyond reasonable doubt.

15. Section 40 HSWA imposes a "reverse burden" as it provides that it is for the accused to prove that it was not practicable or reasonably practicable to do more than was in fact done. Similarly, under section 17 HSWA, the accused is required to show that s/he observed the specific statutory provision otherwise than by observing the relevant Approved Code of Practice, by adopting suitable alternative measures.

16. Where a burden of proof is on a defendant, s/he can satisfy it if s/he proves the issue on the balance of probabilities. This is the same standard as that placed on a claimant in a civil action. S/he need not prove the issue beyond reasonable doubt.

Legal and evidential burdens
17. It is important to distinguish the two types of burden of proof, the legal and the evidential.

18. The legal burden is the obligation on a party to prove a fact in issue. The prosecution would normally have the legal burden to prove the elements of the offence. Whether this burden has been discharged is decided at the end of the trial by the magistrates or the jury.

19. The evidential burden is the obligation to adduce sufficient evidence on a fact in issue to justify, as a possibility, a favourable finding on that issue by the magistrates or jury. Whether the evidential burden has been discharged is decided, during the course of the trial, by the judge.

Exceptions to the rule concerning legal/evidential burdens
20. A party bearing the legal burden on a particular issue usually bears the evidential burden of proving that issue as well.

21. Two exceptions are:

o certain criminal defences 4;and

o "presumptions".

22. In certain criminal defences the burden on the defence may be "evidential only" so that the defence merely have to raise sufficient evidence for the matter to be considered by the court. However the Court of Appeal has ruled that the burden of proof imposed on the defendant by virtue of section 40 HSWA is a legal as well as an evidential one, and as such remains compatible with the European Convention on Human Rights 5. This exception does not therefore apply to health and safety offences.

23. Presumptions are made when a court treats a fact as having been proved, notwithstanding that no evidence or insufficient evidence has been adduced to establish it. A presumption can assist the prosecution in proving a particular fact by imposing a requirement on the defence to disprove it. For example, it will be presumed as a matter of law that:

o a properly addressed and posted letter, not returned, has reached its destination;

o a person acting in an office was properly appointed.

a. facts will therefore be "presumed" by the court unless the defence bring evidence to the contrary sufficient to rebut the presumption.

Advance rebuttal
24. In cases involving practicability or reasonable practicability, it is advisable to adduce evidence of industry standards etc. during the prosecution case to show what was reasonably practicable (despite the fact that the onus of proving reasonable practicability is on the defendant). This is because the opportunity to do so may be lost once the prosecution case has closed. The court will need to assess the extent of the defendant's blameworthiness, as this may affect sentence 6. You should show that the defendant could have taken more steps than were taken. This is known as `advance rebuttal' and has been recognised by the courts as such 7.




Footnotes
1. Different offences will apply depending on the circumstances of the case.

2. Edwards v National Coal Board 1949 1KB 704

3. R v Janway Davies, CA, LTL 18.12.02, IRLR (2003) 170

4. These defences, for example self-defence, will not normally have application in health and safety cases.

5. R v Janway Davies, CA, LTL 18.12.02, IRLR (2003) 170

6. R v Howe & Son (Engineers) Limited [1999] 2 All ER 249: "...other matters that may be relevant to sentence are the degree of risk and extent of the danger created by the offence, the extent of the breach or breaches...."

7. R v Associated Octel Co Ltd HoL, WLR, 29.11.96



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#14 Posted : 11 February 2008 08:26:00(UTC)
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#15 Posted : 11 February 2008 16:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cormac
Sorry

I didn't realise that the HSE web site guidance was copyright. Is it?

Here's the link for the full HSE explanation http://www.hse.gov.uk/en...de/court/rules/prove.htm

Anyway - another aspect has raised its head for those of us based in Scotland. I have it from a legal source that the defence of having done everything that was reasonably practicable is not considered a true defence in Scotland as it is not specifically stipulated as such in the HSWA. Thus, the burden of proof of NOT having done all that was reasonably practicable rests with the prosecution and must be proved beyond reasonable doubt. In effect, it means that in Scotland there is no defence of reasonable practicability and normal standards of criminal law apply.

Anyone any comments on this as I'm keen to find out if true or not?

Cheers

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#16 Posted : 11 April 2008 12:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bashiru Fashola
quick answer:

If I break my leg whilst working for you, then you are guilty based on the employer/employee relationship that exist between us. In other words, I broke my leg because I was working for you.

The injury whilst at work itself is the proof of guilt, the employer has to prove innocence using one of several lines of defense available within case law. These include the employees departure from safe systems of work or an employee acting on a frolic of his own. Where possible an employer may be able to prove that the employer/employee relationship do not exist i.e "you were not working for me when it happened"
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#17 Posted : 11 April 2008 13:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel

why not?
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#18 Posted : 14 April 2008 15:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By David F Spencer
Better to respond late then never -
Civil servants who are suspected of carrying out unlawful activities in the course of their duty are presumed guilty until they prove their innocence. H&S cases simply follow that procedure. Having been on both sides of such cases, I consider that the best course would be to start with an open mind & a will to prove the case one way or the other, as personalities become involved if there is an overriding presumption of either guilt or innocence.
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#19 Posted : 14 April 2008 16:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By John Allen
Can we get this right?

If an individual or limited company is charged with an offence under the Health and Safety at Work etc Act 1974, like any other defendant in any other criminal law case they are presumed innocent until proven guilty (or they admit their guilt). There is no reversal of the burden of proof. However, in the area of reasonable practicability, the onus is on the accused to prove that it was not reasonably practicable to have done something (which contributed to the offence).

Under the Factories Act 1961 and its previous iterations there were some sections which created absolute offences. These occurred in situations in which there were breaches of the law, whether or not there was any intention to commit an offence. Perhaps someone will correct me here but I think a child being present in a factory, even if not employed or doing work, is an example.

As a Civil Servant for 9 years I certainly don’t recall being considered guilty until proven innocent. Is it possible the poster is confusing internal departmental discipline procedures with criminal law offence? Perhaps a current Civil Servant can clarify.
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#20 Posted : 14 April 2008 18:27:00(UTC)
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Posted By Cormac
Hi

To clarify for myself what was posted above (if I understand it correctly - and I may not!). The facts of the case have to be established by the prosecution i.e. that a duty was owed, the employees had been exposed to the risk and that the accident happened etc. BUT the defendant can then argue that they had done all that was reasonably practicable (where that qualification exists) and so should not be found guilty (and it is up to the defendant to prove they did all that was reasonably practicable) etc. If they cannot provide proof to indicate they had done all that was reasonably practicable then are they not guilty by default? Thus, it appears to me to be incorrect to state that the onus of guilt or innocence rests with the prosecutor, it does not if the defendant can be found innocent by arguing and proving they did all that was reasonably practicable and where they have to prove their innocence i.e. a reversal of the normal situation for criminal cases.

This is how I understand it but I certainly could be wrong.

Cheers
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#21 Posted : 15 April 2008 09:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tabs
Original question "Why under H&S law is the accused guilty until he can prove he is innocent?"

Answer (using above replies): They are not - but there is certain evidence which has to be provided to show innocence (where in most other cases evidence is required to show guilt). The absence of that evidence leads to guilt, where in other cases it leads to presumed innocence. This is comparable to some motoring offences where the Highway Code is invoked.

So in a case of say common assault, no evidence = pressumed innocent. In a case of breach of sec 2(2)(a) HSAWA, no evidence of compliance SFARP = guilt if machine is dangerous, BUT innocence if SFARP is shown.

To answer "Why" is simpler, to protect people going to work. They have the right to leave the workplace as healthy as they attended, and the law is designed to say "If not for xyz happening, they would have". The defence is to say "What the company did was SFARP".

Hmmm... I thought I could make that simpler, but it's still clumsy LOL
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