Posted By alex mccreadie I would suggest no need to be a CITB qualified AP. If your company deem him to be competent through practical knowledge and theoretical experience. Without the big words hands on time served experience would comply with BS7121 part 1. Hope this helps Alex

Posted By alex mccreadie Correct Eddie and I know a major training providor who was teaching the AP course to 16 students at a time from a hotel conference room. Wot no crane! no but loads o dosh. Ta Alex

Posted By William It depends on what type of lifting operation, will it involve the use of cranes or chain blocks? A lifting operation using a crane is usually more straightforward that one using chain blocks. I think that it depends on how complex the lift is, if a load is to be fleeted through difficult areas using different equipment then it would be best to be reviewed an experienced person with hands on experience.

Posted By Alan Woodage Am I Missing the point here. MMM question was with regard to the competency of his advisor to check Lifting plans. Surely the most important things is for his advisor to check and gain evidence of the APpointed Persons competency, Generating the lifting plan. his advisor can review and comment on lifting plans but should not be approving. Ultimately the AP who plans the lift is responsible and MMM's advisor should just be desk top reviewing the information. Apologies if I am up the wrong tree but that is my view. BS7121 the Appointed person is responsible. Don't leave yourself open if things go wrong.

Posted By MMM The contractor concerned has major experience and a proven track record, however, I need to provide assurance that they are contiuing to perform wrt to health and safety. The contractor concerned seems to think that you have to be a CITB AP to review the method statements/lifitng plans. The fact that this guy is has a level 4 qual in OS&H, is a member of iosh and planned 100's of lifts is irrelevant.....or so they think. I am not a safety advisor, but from what I can gather to achieve a level 4 qual in safety and membership of iosh you are likely to spend more time studying LOLER and lifting operations than a 4 day AP course! I would welcome any more thoughts, Regards, MMM

Posted By alex mccreadie MMM As stated before your advisor is deemed competent to review a Method Statement by all associated regulations. If he is as experienced as you say your company could appoint him as a Competent / Appointed person for Lifting Operations. If as you say you are having lifts carried out by using an External company and their AP you are obviously having Contract Lifts carried out? When I worked for a mobile crane company and carried out contract lifts we had a signature block for the customer /hirer to sign to say they had agreed and accepted our Method Statement.This was not a cop out but ensured all parties were in agreement to the way the lift had been planned Just because an AP completes a MS does not take away the responsibility from the PC to ensure the lifts are carried out correctly. Everyone is responsible therefore what you are doing is correct and there is no regulation in the land to say your reviewer must hold an CITB AP ticket. In my eyes your company is correct in everything it is doing. Ta Alex