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Posted By srd We unload boxes off pallets into a transit van. Loading the top boxes is not so much of a problem as these are at the same height as the van sills, but as the pallet empties it means stooping down to pick up the boxes.
We are looking at some way of raising the pallet as unloading progresses so that the top layer of boxes is always at the same height as the van sill.
We have been looking at 'scissor' or 'high rise' trucks, but would it be possible to use our existing electric fork lift trucks?
I have spoken to a FLT supplier who claims that many people use fork lifts in this way, but some of our people have expressed concern that the use of a fork lift truck in this manner would not be safe.
Any suggestions please?
Stephen.
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Posted By Paul Duell I also believe it to be standard practice - it's what we used to do when I was a storeman.
Talk to the people and ask why they think it wouldn't be safe: I'm a bit of a cynic so my first thought is that they want a shiny new bit of kit, but the people who do the job usually know more about it than anyone else - they might know something you don't!
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Posted By Tim S I think the problem would be that you need to have a trained and competent driver in attendance. In my experience when a fork lift is used in this manner, un-authorised personnel tend to jump on and lift the pallet. It also ties up a relatively expensive piece of kit, when a basic scissor lift truck is only £500?
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Posted By Eddie Campbell I’m sure that your FLT supplier would tell you this as it will undoubtedly still be the case in many premises. This method of access was a widely accepted practice in days gone by. However, what your FLT supplier may not have mentioned is that `the times they are a changing` and there are now some safeguards and procedures that you must put in place to ensure that your folks are working safely. What you would seem to be proposing is the use of a `non integrated working platform` on a forklift. This mode of access is not so common as it once was and this may or may not be due to the requirements contained in the guidance published in the HSE document PM28 (3rd Edition) Issued 2005. Here's a link to get you there: http://www.hse.gov.uk/workplacetransport/pm28.pdfThis will give you information on the procedures, equipment, safety related issues and training that will be required to help with your risk assessment and the decison making process. HTH Eddie
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Posted By srd Thanks Paul, Tim and Eddie for your comments.
Eddie, the link you gave me, while very interesting reading, appears to refer more to using a fork lift to lift people, whereas we will be lifting a load only.
Stephen.
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Posted By Eddie Campbell Stephen
I have obviously read something in to your original question that wasn't there in the first place!
You are quite correct in stating that f you are not using the forklift to raise people then the link I have sent is of no use to you other than academic interest.
Now I'm I'm not sure what the problem is with your chaps being wary of using the forklift for a generic forklift work activity. As others have noted this is a common everyday activity in yards and stores etc.
Perhaps taking them in and carrying out a risk assessment exercise with them may allay what fears they may have.
Regards
Eddie
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Posted By srd One of their concerns is that the forks may lower onto their feet, either due to an hydraulic leak or operator error through catching a lever.
Would I be correct in thinking that this may also occur if using a manual scissor truck?
Stephen.
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Posted By Darren (Daz) Fraser As an alternative, if the order is sufficiently large enough, could you not load the pallet directly into the Transit, thereby eliminating manual handling altogether? you could adjust the price of the order to cover the cost of the pallet if not returned etc.
As previously mentioned talk to the people involved to discover their concerns, highlighting that whilst there could be a leak from a hose, the chances of it happening is low (if the FLT is maintained and serviced regularly by a qualified and competent person), and the issue of the forks lowering onto their feet would be the same with a high lift manual truck.
One of the safeguards / control measures you could put in place regarding the use of the FLT is that the key is removed and the driver assists with the loading of the boxes.
There may be some concern regarding the safety of persons in the vicinity of traffic movement, but I expect you have already conducted a RA and have suitable controls (if any identified) in place.
Not being aware of your environment and working area, but there are platforms on the market, that auto adjust in height as weight is removed thereby maintaining a consistent height once setup and adjusted. These are mainly used in production packing areas, and would not be suitable, as far as I am aware for external use (if that is your situation).
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Posted By srd What would appear to be ideal is a rotary spring loaded turntable, which maintains a height as the weight decreases on the pallet. The turntable also rotates so that parcels that were at the rear and hard to reach can be brought forward. The downside is that they cost around £1400, which makes it harder to justify not using an existing fork lift truck.
Stephen.
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