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#1 Posted : 15 November 2007 22:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Martin Taylor
I am not an expert on CDM regs and standards but for those of you that do this day in and day out can I ask:-

Should the Safety Plan (hope that that is the right phrase) continue licences and waste permits for the carriers and disposal of wastes arising from projects?

thanks

Martin
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#2 Posted : 16 November 2007 07:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel

construction projects costing >£250K & >£500K respectively require specific environmental management plans via environmental law not CDM law & a good place to put them is in the overall project plan. However a completely different set of parameters & competences are required & in all cases its the client who is responsible irespective of any T&C's present

Note the CDMC does not exist re environmental law & in my >30 years of experience I have come across incredibly few designers, PS's, CDMC's that have any real competence re env law so you need the right persons etc in place

Take head: Environmental law is different to other law in so far as its more far reaching, tighter with less protection for an individual so you need to know the parameters

Additionally for projects with a value of £250k you must still have a management system in place although its type is not described

Env areas are not something that you pick up
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#3 Posted : 16 November 2007 08:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Bob

The requirements are not a regulatory issue until April 08 - The consultation process has still to be finalised and the responses have only recently been released to the responders.

I agree however that the waste is best incorporated into the CP Plan - realising that the term Construction Phase Health and Safety Plan is now defunct to be replaced by the much more succinct and all encompassing Construction Phase Plan.

Bob
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#4 Posted : 16 November 2007 08:29:00(UTC)
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Posted By Peter MacDonald
Martin

Our post tender award Health and Safety plan has a statement on the disposal of waste. It alludes to our environmental systems and states that the removal of waste and it's disposal will be carried out under the relevant regulations. It also states that all licences as required will be displayed on the site premises. In our case our waste management license, Transfer station license, Asbestos removal license and we have the licenses of our bought in waste management company and the licenses of all tips, transfer station and other disposal points. The copies are not kept in the Health and safety plan document but they are kept in the Health and Safety File or environmental file if the size of project requires it. All waste transfer notes and disposal paperwork are kept in the file too.
You must display all relevant licenses on site.

Hope that helps
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#5 Posted : 16 November 2007 08:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS
Bob


Can you reference your material regarding Waste Management on Projects over a certain amount.
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#6 Posted : 16 November 2007 08:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
AHS

The following link provides a slide show concerning the voluntary code that currently operates. Next April powers under the Clean Neighbourhoods etc Act will make these mandatory for all construction projects over £250k. Above £500k the duty will extend to formal review reports on the success and failures of the plan, to be completed within X weeks of completion.

http://www.constructinge...untarycodeofpractice.pdf

IT is intended that breaches will be dealt by fixed penalty tickets and/or unlimited fines dependent on nature of offence.

You may pick up the consultation documents on google or through Defra or envirowise websites. I am currently awaiting the conclusions before providing detailed awareness training.

Bob
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#7 Posted : 16 November 2007 09:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
Who might have legal ownership of the waste plan, Client or the PC?????

Garry
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#8 Posted : 16 November 2007 10:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Gwizz

A good point because the drafts were not clear between the two. My reading is that the client will be responsible in the design phases to ensure that design is undertaken with an understanding of the need to reduce, minimise, recycle or otherwise reduce landfill during construction. I suspect that the design for use environmental aspect will already be present in the part L of the building regs considerations.

From construction onwards the PC looks a certainty as holder and this is going to throw a spanner into the works of those PCs who pass it all on to their subbies. I cannot see the EA allowing arguments that the work package was less than £250k and thus no plan was required, or for that matter there being 8,10,12 or more plans for one project.

Bob
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#9 Posted : 16 November 2007 10:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel

Bob is correct re 04/2008 being the legal requirement date re the SWMP's that I quoted. although October 2007 was the original date quoted

I am sure Bob would agree that irrespective of the 08 date we are at this time required to adequately manage env areas, so we should be doing something now
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#10 Posted : 16 November 2007 10:38:00(UTC)
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Bob

Totally agree with you. The real value of the regulations will be to push some responsibility onto the client and designers to make waste management feasible on the project. I just wonder what will happen though when LAs require the SWM plans for planning to be discharged but the Highways refuse the road closures needed to give space for the waste management area on a city centre job?

The SWMPs were mentioned in the CDM draft, my acop is in the car so I cannot check the final document, and this is one reason why the CP Plan contents listed in the acop cannot fully cover the needs of the complete CP Plan.

Bob
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