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#1 Posted : 26 November 2007 13:11:00(UTC)
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker This may seem like a daft question but it seems that everyone has a different point of view on where they can safely be placed. Is it OK to place them, recessed, in a corridor which in essence an evacuation route in the event of a fire. I have my own view, that they should not be placed in the area highlighted, but would like your comments.
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#2 Posted : 26 November 2007 14:00:00(UTC)
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Posted By John_Webster Having kids at school who have to lug increasingly heavy loads because of lack of locker provision, my view may not accord with the absolutes of fire prevention. In an ideal world we would have locker rooms, or lockers would be within the pupils' own registration classroom. However, I would consider the risk of a significant locker fire to be very low. Use metal lockers, panel above & below the lockers to prevent accumulation of scattered clothing & papers, and site them in areas where, if they WERE the seat of a fire there is an escape route in either direction. Do your risk assessment, and balance with the risks to pupils by NOT having lockers.
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#3 Posted : 26 November 2007 14:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker Thanks for the response John. Information from "Designing and Managing Risks of Fire in Schools" points out that a third of all arson attacks occur in occupied schools. Smoke from a locker if deliberatly set alight could potentially block an evacuation route which you would otherwise expect to be clear.
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#4 Posted : 26 November 2007 14:45:00(UTC)
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Posted By wesley james mason I have done a lot work at Schools and colleges and this often comes up. Ideally there should be no storage in corridors as they are fire escape routes. But in many old buildings, the corridors are very wide and there is room for them whilst still giving adequate width for fire evacuations, so therefore lockers are often installed. We took advice of a fire officer and they said in our case, that if the escape routes have adequate width then this is fine, as long as the lockers are secured (wall or floor). The problem may be that if the alarm was activated, people accessing the lockers can block exits, so this is something to bear in mind. Also, you are potentially storing a lot of fuel within these lockers. Im my opinion they should be in separate locker rooms, but these are very few and far between due to the lack of space that schools have. Again it is down to assessment of where exactly the lockers are, what are adjacent rooms used for? Is there another means of escape closeby if the lockers were on fire. There is never an easy answer is there??
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#5 Posted : 26 November 2007 15:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By John_Webster Son of Skywalker Hence my point about siting any lockers in areas where there is an escape route in both directions. We are considering that the lockers could be the seat of the fire, not that the fire in the locker might block an escape route from another fire (which is possible but improbable). Corridor smoke detectors should activate long before the corridor is so filled with smoke that it becomes impassable. The quantity of combustible material in any one book locker is not really that great, and also consider that a fire in a steel locker can only spread to adjacent lockers quite slowly (by conduction). Unless all the doors are also forced open as well by the arsonist, the supply of oxygen to the others is going to be very poor.
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#6 Posted : 26 November 2007 15:31:00(UTC)
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker John The lockers and siting of them are in areas where pupils could be in a changing rooms and the only way out would be past lockers with smoke coming out of them. Lets not forget that arsonists more often than not use some form of accelerant. A lot of smoke can be generated by a small amount of material on fire. The lockers may have vents on the doors which allow smoke out but make it hard for water from sprinklers to get in. If you have a school with approx 2000 pupils and 200 staff it will take time to evacuate.
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#7 Posted : 27 November 2007 11:17:00(UTC)
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Posted By Della Pearlman The Dept. of Children, Schools and Families has a website on school design (Teachernet) – although there is no single guidance on lockers, there are several documents which contain help: One on School Furniture, has information on lockers – have a look at p. 56 on this pdf http://www.teachernet.go...re%20MSF%20Guide%207.pdf Another DCSF document that might help is BB98 — Briefing Guide for Secondary School Projects - http://www.teachernet.go...ding%20Bulletin%2098.pdf See page 41 - And p.47 where gives circulation spaces and areas. Similarly, BB99 — Briefing Guide for Primary School Projects – see p. 40 http://www.teachernet.go...c/8117/BB99%20revise.pdf (NB: Moderators - please note these are all copyright free documents) hope this helps Della
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#8 Posted : 27 November 2007 13:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Son of SkyWalker Della Thanks for the information. I will have a look at these documents.
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