Posted By CFT
Darren

Your asking the impossible; letters after name (yawn) sorry at a half century and a few years of age I am not impressed anymore by them. Generically this is going to be very difficult for people to answer as each person has differing reasons for achieving a certain level of qualifications, and greatly depends on the level of competency required for the task/s; never forget that the letters are just that, and they do not necessarily represent the true worth of an individual, or tell you the person is in fact competent at their duties!

Smy take anyway Darren.

Have a good weekend

CFT

Posted By BB
I've always been suspicious of people who claim to be competent but are afraid to be scrutinised under peer review.

CMIOSH includes the element of CPD. Some of the old MIOSHs who gained their membership with slightly squiffy credentials, never bothered with CPD and hence RSP status will/have been rooted out by the new regime.

So, although CMIOSH doesn't guarantee competence, it does at least show some commitment to the cause and some truth to continual improvement - which is the whole point of our work.

So for £100 a year - I'll stand up and be counted.

Frankly, resting on an AIIRSM, TechIOSH laurel doesn't cut the mustard for me.

Posted By Jim Walker
Oh no! not again!!

Surely we have thrashed this one to death

Posted By AHS
Maybe BB should check out CDM 2007 ACOP IOSH isnt even mentioned.

Posted By AF
This has been thrshed to death in the past

Given some of the responses so far, there are still some who think they are the elite, and above all others of lesser competency, or so they think.

And you wonder why we are getting laughed at!

A

Posted By Robert.
BB, ta for the book.

Take another look at AHS & AF posting.
You may even take a look outside the cocoon of eliteness.

End of.

:)

Posted By AHS
BB did you know some CMIOSH have no safety qualifications?

Posted By Edward Shyer
Hi AHS,

don't know if BB knew or not but I didn't please enlighten me.

Regards

Ted

Posted By Brett Day

More posts that confirm that I really shouldn't bother renewing my IOSH membership next time around.

Whilst I haven't done a degree or diploma I have funded and commited to courses and learning that have expanded my skills and kept me up to date and of use to my clients.

IOSH doesn't recognise these beyond my CPD commitments ie they do not count towards CMIOSH.

And having had to clean up after more than one (then)MIOSH I'm sceptical.

FWIW IOSH has 'branded' itself so well that you need the 'badge' to progress.

So yes, the badge does count, how much importance you attach to it is up to you.

Posted By Brigham
So Robert, who would assess this principle area of competence?
Post nominals do not prove competence, only people can do that!

Posted By Brigham
Nice one...

Posted By Robert.
RobT, no-one is shouting against IOSH, only those that hide behind the letters

Posted By Robert.
Is that it then?

Posted By Andrew W
Robert

Picking up on your earlier theme:-
CONOSH
MANOSH
ELEOSH
OILYGASSYOSH
TRUCKOSH
GOVOSH

Figure em out yourself!!

Andy

Posted By Robert.
Andrew W wot about GOLLYGOSH, an OHMYGOSH

:) :)

Posted By Mark Mace
ROB T,

i was shocked by your response to this posting,
i personally have not attained CMIOSH status at this point, however to state that

"those who couldn't be bothered and are too lazy to gain the higher qualification"

is an open invitation for people to take umbridge at your comment, there are lots of reasons why people do not continue with education i.e. family commitments, lack of funding, job commitments to name but a few. This does not mean that they are lazy or not bothered, it means that circumstances outside of their influence have resulted in the situation of not being able to gain the higher qualification, and whilst i may say there are some people out there who are to lazy and can not be bothered, i would like to think that they are in the minority.

I follow this career path as i like to think i make a difference to peoples lives, if in that process i may or may not gain pollinomials what does it matter.

regards to all.

Posted By Darren (Daz) Fraser
Did not expect to have so many responses in 1 day.

I will be moving forward with my education next year, and will eventually (fingers crossed) apply for CMIOSH status as well as MIIRSM, for no other reason than my own self achievement.

As too using post nominals - extremely unlikely.

Regarding comments of no commitment having completed a 2 week course (NGC), I found that interesting, if self funded, the person most likely either used up holiday entitlement or lost pay (as was the case of 3 of my fellow students 3.5 years ago). If funded by employer, chances are the attendee still had other work to do/catch up on their return (as was the case of the other 9, myself included).

Have a good weekend everyone, will check this thread again on Monday.

Daz

Posted By maddog RM
Also,

IOSH is one of the very few professional institutes that you don't need a degree to be a chartered member.

Posted By BB
Maddog RM,

That's an interesting point, about degree for chartered membership.

Although, the diplomas are often considered 'degree level' (especially dip2), I think the IOSH membership may be like this because the universities trooped up with qualifications quite late in the day, comparatively speaking.

You could originally find a diploma course but degrees were thin on the ground.

Just a thought.

BB

p.s. does the 'RM' stand for what I think it does ..in which case you'll know what elitism really is.

Posted By AF
Following my earlier posting, it is clearly becoming evident, there is a number of members who suddenly, after passing the relevant Qualifications, and after their CPD & Peer review attain CMIOSH who claim they are amongst the elite.

Taking ROB T's posting "I find that many of those who shout loudest against CMIOSH are those who couldn't be bothered and are too lazy to gain the higher qualification"

I for one have been in the HSE field for over 13 years (attaining Tech IOSH status), calling me lazy and not bothered to upgrade to the higher qualification makes my blood boil.

I have to commend Mark Mace's post, he hits the nail on the head

"there are lots of reasons why people do not continue with education i.e. family commitments, lack of funding, job commitments to name but a few. This does not mean that they are lazy or not bothered"

Whilst in some members (those who classify themselves as being amongst the elite) eyes, I am just a lowly Tech IOSH practitioner, I am confident my qualifications (Engineering Degree, Environment Degree, SVQ/NVQ level 5 management, General Certificate and many others too numerous to mention), career (working to Senior Management level), Experience (13 years experience within a multiplethora of manufacturing industries, ie chemical, engineering, forging, electronics, oil & gas, automotive, plastics and food processing) and my achievements (numerous HSE & Business excellence awards as well as obtaining certification to ISO 9000, ISO 14000, OHSAS 18000, EFSIS/BRC & ISO 22000) will put many of those "elite" memkbers to shame.

In addition to that, try being a father to 2 boys under age of 4 (at the age of 43)

So Rob T, If this is classes me as being "too lazy to gain the higher qualification", then so be it.

I enjoy doing what I do, because I know, and have made a difference to peoples lives throughout my career (and get very well paid for it)

Perhaps you need to take a look at why you are in the HSE field in the first place.......!

Alex

PS As for the higher qualification, I am currently sitting with passes on all 5 of my Diploma Part 2, Assignments and taking the June 2008 exam sitting rather than Dec 2007, (not because I am too lazy to pass, but wanting to spend time with my family)