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Posted By Ian Sharpe
It sounds like the headmaster has probably done a one day food hygiene course or similar missed the whole concept of risk assessment and jumped on the e coli band wagon...
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Posted By Chris Packham
Presumably mince pies, cakes and biscuits purchased at the supermarket and out of date are acceptable, but those produced the day before by mother at home using all fresh ingredients are not!
In any event,how would the teacher know if a mince pie in the lunch box was home made or made in a shop?
Would I want my child educated by someone with this lack of ability to think logically? akes you wonder about the sanity of head masters!
Chris
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Posted By Emyr Evans
Ian,
Although I agree with your sentiment, you should also remember that there was an outbreak of e-coli poisoning in the area about two years ago. A great number of school children were affected and a young child died.
This heightens the awareness of the risk in schools in the area & you can imagine the outcry should another case be traced back to a school event.
Headmasters & school authorities would be severerly criticised by parents & the press in the event of a repeated issue. (There is plenty of case law around to justify the increased awareness & concern from an event that has occurred in the past - reasonably foreseeability + extra care for those who have suffered previously [the duty of care to the monocular visioned is greater])
Risk assessment is not an exact science, I have yet found anyone in the profession that can agree on the exact evaluation of a risk (except those who fall into the high - medium - low system). Risk detemrimation remains proportional to the personal experiences of those performing the assessment & performing the task.
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Posted By Liesel
Definately one for a Bonkers Conker.
Mind you, it was in Bridgend- which was where the meat packing outfit involved in the big e-coli scare was.
Talking of conkers, another thing I've noticed is that it often seems to be the school headteachers who ban something without assessing risk...? Is this a sign of a litigation fear I wonder...?
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Posted By Crim
The Daily Mail Saturday 1st December had a product recall made by one of the major mince pie manufacturers so its not just home made we have to be careful of.
I can't say the name but they do make exceedingly good cakes.
If you have any of these look out for the traceability codes 235, 239, 253, 254, 259, 260, 261 and 262.
I'm sure they will not mind me pointing this out here?
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Posted By Ian Sharpe
Thats my point....
Home made or factory produced, there is still a contamination risk...
I suppose it could be argued that HACCP in commercial premises equates to more of a control measure as opposed to food produced at home but HACCP like other controls is only effective if its followed.
How many incidences of food poisioning or food borne illness have resulted from food manufacturing ?
The whole thing just seems bonkers to me....
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Posted By Pete48
I made some mince pies for my daughter; To take to school for them what taught her.
Back they come with along with a letter; no mince pies, you should know better.
Tis all to do with safety tsk tsk; and nothing to do with risky risk.
The kids could be poisoned by bugs unknown; their angel wings have also flown
On the fear of fire and eyes out poking; no I am really am not joking.
Don’t wrap our kids in cotton wool, teachers and parents all stridently call.
So why does fear of litigation; make safety into irritation?
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Posted By anon1234
Nice to see everyone jumping to conclusions based on a 'press article'.
I'm not saying whether what has happened is justifiable or not, merely pointing out that we are always criticising the press for printing utter rubbish when it comes to health and safety and then totally believing they have the facts correct in this story -if the facts were somewhat different then it may be that there wasn't much of a story here, equally if the facts are right have they presented all the facts?
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Posted By Tabs
Imagine yourself as a Headteacher and then read the posts on this forum on a regular basis ...
You may find yourself wondering whether you should allow the mince pies or not. You will see many stories of woe; many posts urging caution; many posts giving dubious advice.
One can't blame a busy Headteacher for taking the easy way out of a situation they are not trained for, and for which their is no place to turn for DEFINITIVE yes / no replies (try phoning the HSE / LA and asking them if they would allow mince pies in the same situation and you will get a lot of jargon about a subject you may not have much training in).
Is it for a school to worry about the perceptions of safety regarding home baked food, or to teach the curriculum? Maybe if the pies were made in the Domestic Science lessons then some value would come of it? (Personally I am not sure I would like to eat a pie from every house of every pupil (regardless of calorie count - some parents just are not as skilled or as fussy as others).
When did we say that schools have to allow home baked foods to be brought in anyway? And why?
Naw ... get the kids to make them on site and take them home - much much more value in that I would suggest.
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Posted By Merv Newman
Councillor Foley is wrong. So they had an e-coli outbreak originating in a professional kitchen. Which means that even the professionals can still get it wrong despite HACCP.
Encourage children to make and eat their own home made food. But don't let them offer it around to others who may have different allergies and resistances.
YOU may be resistant to the stuff YOUR mum puts in the mince pies but others may not be.
I'm with the headmaster.
By the way, the Blessed Deliah has an exceedingly good recipe for mince pies. Lots of brandy, make it the year before (next week for Xmas 2008) and it keeps well in the fridge.
I'm not violating copyright am I ?
Merv
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