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Posted By IOSH Moderator The thread above was removed this morning due to breach of copyright in the originating message. The moderators cannot 'fix' such a breach, except to remove the thread altogether. The article under discussion is to be found here: http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/..._of_scotland/7116588.stmThe discussion point is 'Is health and safety a bit like a wheel i.e. constantly being reinvented?'
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Posted By Colin Reeves
That story is appalling. That is the most basic of H&S precautions - thought the world had progressed from allowing unsuitable clothing thirty odd years ago!
Whilst not mentioned, I wonder if the clothing was worn as part of a religious routine / requirement? If so, the PC brigade have gone too far this time!
Colin
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Posted By Barrie (Badger) Etter
Call me a grumpy old man but ....
When I were a lad common sense reigned. We had to either wear an apron or an overall. Sleeves were rolled up and ties came off. This five min acitivity occured BEFORE starting work in the machine shop of the school. What on earth was the teacher thinking of letting a lass near a lathe wearing a scarf?! Prime candidate for prosecution under HASAWA me thinks.
Badger
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Posted By Philip Beale
Have to agree with Barrie on this one if you didn't have your apron then no woodworking also you had to have leather shoes on no trainers.
By the sounds of the article very little was done in the way of following the basics. unfortunately a lot of schools seem to dump this on teachers who have little experience with the equipment (not timed served)
Phil
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
I am just wondering when the old rules were dropped. Like others we always removed loose items like ties and scarves. It was overalls only if using the lathe, both wood and metal working. Trvor Kletz and corporate memory loss strike again methinks.
Bob
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Posted By Jim Walker
Only thing that surprises me is that it does not happen more often.
Some 12 years ago I "banned" my kids from taking part in "resistive materials technology" (woodwork & metalwork to you) after talking to the head of dept at an open evening.
I was shocked at the lack of basic guarding way below the legal standards at the time.
I complained to the LA E dept and told them that if I operated (I worked for an engineering company) equipment of that level even using time served operatives the HSE would shut me down. Their reaction was Duh!
I don't think my kids suffered as we have a fully kitted out workshop at home and one went on to get a engineering degree.
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