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#1 Posted : 18 December 2007 15:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Sorreee, me again. Think i'm in overload, Reg 3(2)(c)(ii) talks about "removal of materials in which the asbestos fibres are firmly linked in a matrix." Can someone explain what this means? Thanks
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#2 Posted : 18 December 2007 16:10:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Low risk highly bonded materials such as vinyl floor tiles, plastics, toilet cisterns etc.
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#3 Posted : 19 December 2007 08:39:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H That's great thanks, but where do I find this info? Thanks
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#4 Posted : 19 December 2007 10:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chas Not sure if it will answer your question but get hold of a copy of MDHS100 from HSE. There is a table within the document that gives an indication of fibre content and friability of a variety of asbestos containing products, including floor tiles, WC cisterns etc. Hope this helps.
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#5 Posted : 19 December 2007 11:09:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Hi Chas, Yep got that document thanks, just haven't (with all the other millions of asbestos document) got round to going through that one. Will it answer my next question....? How do you know if a material is less than the 0.6f/cm3 or 0.1f/cm3 for low intensity and control limits. Cheers
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#6 Posted : 19 December 2007 11:41:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Hmmm, just had a look at the table you're talking about and it lists acm's in buildings according to their ease of fibre release; how would you know what the f/cm3 release is to judge whether works is sporadic/low and the control limit is not being exceeded? Appologies if this is obvious to you, still learning the ropes here! :)
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#7 Posted : 19 December 2007 11:58:00(UTC)
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Posted By Coshh Assessor The HSE Asbestos Essentials site has a wide range of examples that are good as a starting point for practical guidance - have a look whether the tasks you are concerned with appear as examples: http://www.hse.gov.uk/as...tos/essentials/index.htm
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#8 Posted : 19 December 2007 12:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Yep seen and gone through these, as well as HSG 210. Am I right in saying that the tasks listed in the above two sources will fulfil the sporadic & low intensity requirements and the control limit as detailed in the regs?
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#9 Posted : 19 December 2007 12:22:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chas With regard to exceeding the control limits you will only know for certain if you carry out some personal sampling during the work. The results can then be used in your risk assessment for any future work of a similar nature. If you have a look at HSG 189/1 and HSG 189/2 there are tables in there that give an indication of the exposure levels that you should expect whilst carrying out a variety of activities. The Task manual HSG 210 also gives you some idea of what can be done. However please remember that operatives carrying out such work still need the appropriate training, information and instruction. I would also recommend the P405 course if you have not already been on it.
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#10 Posted : 19 December 2007 12:46:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Ok cheers Chas. Before I wade through those two documents i'll just expand on where i'm going with this... Just looking at work we do on AIB's, i.e. drilling holes; which according to guidelines can be done unlicenced providing you stick to certain procedures etc; one being the work is sporadic/low intensity and the controls aren't being exceeded. 189/1 & 2 doesn't really cover this does it? Also, personal monitoring is fine, but would you not need to know before hand what the fibre release was otherwise it could become licenced couldn't it? Also, is 402 training necessary for maintenance staff drilling holes? Sorry for the 20 questions, just trying to get my head around it all (without it exploding!)
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#11 Posted : 19 December 2007 12:56:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Ok, thanks Chas. Before I wade through those documents i'll expand a bit on where i'm coming from on this... We've got maintenance staff that do the odd job which involves drilling holes in AIB's. In order for this to be an unlicenced task and complete the job inline with the tasksheet the sporadic/low intensity and controls are not to be exceeded. Wearing a personal monitor is fine, but this will only identify excessive amounts as the task is being done, which could then compromise H&S of individuals, couldn't it? Also, 189/1 & 2 aren't really relevant to AIB's are they? Is the 402 course really necessary for maintenance staff drilling odd hole's in AIB's or enclosing ACM's to prevent future damage?
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#12 Posted : 19 December 2007 12:57:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H sorry, posted twice there as my first posting didn't appear to show!! Think i'll go to lunch now! :)
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#13 Posted : 19 December 2007 13:51:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stewart Campbell Brenda, On the HSE web site Asbestos Essentials is a series of procedures on how to safely carry out tasks such as you descibe. If you search under Asbestos on the HSE website you may find answers to your questions. Stewart
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#14 Posted : 19 December 2007 14:05:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Hi stewart, Thanks for your input. I have looked extensively on the HSE's website and read through lots of asbestos documents from there these last few days, so please don't think I am trying to get information because I can't be bothered to look. My questions stem from the reading I have done, an in particular reg 3 which talks about sporadic and low intensity work. My question was how do you know the work falls within this category. If the answer is to work within the guidelines in the task sheets, then that's fine. What I didn't know was whether the materials the tasksheets refer to fall within the definitions of sporadic & low intensity work. Sorry if this is plainly obvious to you, it's not when you're trying to get your head around it all for the first time! :)
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#15 Posted : 19 December 2007 14:37:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stewart Campbell Brenda, Unlicensed work is work where exposure may be sporadic or of a low intensity. This is defined in L143 "Work with materials containing asbestos" Paragraph 7 of the introduction. Asbestos essential task sheet are for work that does not need a license so exposure will be sporadic or of a low intensity. However a risk assessment should be made of the asbestos to ensure that it is in good condition and exposure will not be at an increased level should things do not go to plan. Hope this helps Stewart
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#16 Posted : 19 December 2007 15:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Brenda, As I understand things, the Asbestos ACoP L143 (Regulation 10)paragraph 128 requires that operatives go through "Group 2" Training in order to demonstrate competency etc. for unlicensed work in accordance with HSG 210 (Asbestos Essentials Task Manual). This would include sporadic drilling of AIB. Hope this helps. There's a list of training providers on HSE website, and more info on training content in the ACoP.
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#17 Posted : 20 December 2007 14:03:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Brenda, Confusing details if you are likely to release more than Control Limit of 0.6 f/ml for 10 minutes or 0.1 f/ml for 4 hours this work will be licensed asbestos work as the Regs are now risk based and not product based! Simply put On the HSE web http://www.hse.gov.uk/as...tos/essentials/index.htm There is a list of Tasks (Safe Methods) which an unlicensed contractor can undertake and as such if you follow these to the letter, properly trained with the correct equipment 'H' vacs etc then this work will be 'sporadic and low etc'. There are NO TASK cards for the repair of Limpet / Lagging as the control limit has been reduced by 50% so if you disturb these products you will be above the Control Limit and as such this is licensable work. Reg 3(2) exempts work on ACM which are in GOOD condition, so the 'MINOR WORKS' rule is still there however it has been clarified with the SALI thingy! Email me if you want any further info
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#18 Posted : 20 December 2007 14:50:00(UTC)
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Posted By Brenda H Thanks David for you help, your e-mail isn't enabled though:)
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