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Posted By Carl Morgan
Has anyone recently put together a works policy on the above they could let me have a copy of or information on
thank you
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Hi Carl, Can you give me until the 8th to give you a policy statement as I am not back in work until then. The policy I have put in place is driven by the legal requirements of the rail industry and is well tested and does work. There is a TOTAL ban on drink and drugs accross the board and thankfully it is generally accepted and under writen by the trade unions.
Send me your e-mail address and I will send you a copy back.
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Posted By Liesel
Isn't the rail industry a bit more draconian than most though? T&W Act/ROGs are specific drivers not exactly found in all workplaces.....
The SHP had a good article on D&A policy in September- may be worth a look? It was an excellent piece on formulating a policy for your own org's needs particularly with regards to such things as privacy, setting limits and testing. Definately worth a look if you haven't seen it already.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Your quite right it is draconian but it works. Every person who works in the rail industry is made fully aware of the outcome of a positive drugs and alcohol test, it's the sack, end of news. But there is also a very good councelling service that goes with it. Come forward and admit that you have a drugs or drink problem and the company will help you. It is a two edged sword, it recognises that some people do have problems and they do quite a lot to assist those affected. But the question posted is how do we set up a D&A policy. I suggested the rail industry one as good practice, but it may not fit as it is seen as too drconian; any level of accepted drug and alochol consumption/abuse or miss use when it affects the normal working conditions to me is a stupid assumptiom and even harder to enforce.
It is not only the person who consumes drugs or alcohol that suffer the consequences it can and does affect others. I remember the Hither Green accident when the consumption of alcohol resulted in a train being tipped on it side and several people killed because the driver had cfonsumed alchol whilst on duty.
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Posted By Adele Brown
Carl- many NHS Trusts have a staff drug/ alcohol policy and most of them publish their policies freely on the net. Might be worth having a look via a search engine?
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Posted By Alan Haynes
Just to correct Bob's statement on Hither Green and drinking;
I believe that the Hither Green accident was found to be due to a broken rail. At a rail joint, a star crack through the first bolt hole in the running-on rail had progressively developed and a triangular piece of rail had broken out. It is probable that several previous trains had successfully negotiated the gap.
I do not believe that drink was a factor in this crash
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Adele - so do universities...
Replied direct.
Alan
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Posted By ken mosley
Carl,
If you let me have your contact details I can send you the required info.
regards
Ken
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Hi Alan,
I stand corrected, but what was the accident some 30 years ago now I think in which the driver was found to have indulged in a few drinks before working the train back to london and tipped it up into by running a curve at speed well above the speed limit and tipped every thing up into the sidings. At my age the old grey cells (what's left of them) are a bit rusty and I don't have a copy of the report. I remember Hiter Green was someting of an unlucky area some years ago.
Regards Bob. Hope your Christmas went well.
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Posted By Liesel
Bob, I think that's Morpeth you're thinking of when the HST went off. Driver had been drinking also wasn't in best of health.... although was also found "not guilty" in court of manslaughter I believe.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
No I recall an accident on the Southern Region which involved a railwaymans special which was tipped over into the sidings, there are no sidings at Moropeth. There has been two accident at Morpeth the latter was the HST which took the curve at speed and tipped up killing a number of pasengers, the driver was procecuted but found not guilty of manslaugther, perhaps this would change now.
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Posted By Liesel
Yes, it's the latter one I was thinking of. I wonder though, these days rather a lot would probably also be said about the lack of contact with the driver by a responsible person being made before the said driver came on duty? RAIB do seem to go back down to root causes which funnily enough tend to end up back at the management of the org.
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Posted By Bob Shillabeer
Funny enough all accidents on the railway are led by some sort of managerial responsibility. It is for managem,ent to establish methods to check employees are fit (in the widest terms) to undertake any specific duties. This of course includes methods of checking if a member of staff is under the influence of drugs or alcohol. There are quite a number of remote booking on points around the country now used by various train operating companies, they work resonably well given that the vast majority of train drivers are very responsible people who work very professionally. But the isuue on this posting is about a general D&A policy not about the railway system. I have already offered to supply Carl with an example of the D&A policy used by my company and give pointers on developing one for his use.
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