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Posted By teaboy Does anyone have a link to tangible evidence of enforcement action with regards to the above Regs?, not much on the HSE website (unless i missed it) and i need to make a point with the MD
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Posted By Bob Youel
Try the environment agency &/or DEFRA
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick This is enforced by EA not HSE. I have read about prosecutions, on the EA website, but from memory they were for not registering. In ten years I have two compliance visits from EA inspectors on this topic.
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Posted By teaboy my problem is that the company has NEVER registered and we have over 16000 stock product lines all producing waste, i'm a bit new to this company and am playing a serious game of catch up - the hard way
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Posted By Heather Collins You're potentially in trouble.... Try here http://www.environment-a....uk/news/1912871?lang=_eAnd there are examples like this every single month on the Agency website. Bear in mind this doesn't actually apply to the waste packaging you generate yourself on your site (other than from imports), it applies to packaging that you either manufacture or that you put your own products into to put into the marketplace. There are thresholds both of turnover (£2 million) and amount of packaging handled (50 tonnes) that determine whether you need to either register or join a compliance scheme (or neither if below the thresholds) My company has been registered for 10 years so I have a bit of experience of these Regs. They are not the easiest I have ever dealt with! Start here for guidance http://www.environment-a.../1789660/136872/?lang=_e
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Posted By teaboy tell me about it heather, this is a nightmare for me, we easily fall into both turnover and tonnage categories, we produce and fill our own packaging and supply other goods with packaging that falls under our area of responsibility, and thats just 1 of the 5 divisions in the group
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Posted By Bob Youel
Sorry to add woe but:
You are probably out of compliance for many areas and note that the EA are not as friendly, easy going, helpful [usually] as the HSE, VAT man etc and they can spot fine with the 'producer' [your boss] having less ability to mitigate that in H&S!
Having said that contact then, hold your hands up and go from there
Environmental areas are some of the most in depth and complicated areas that there are so you need competent advice & support - Contact IEMA
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Posted By Heather Collins teaboy
I would echo the above advice to hold your hands up to the EA (or SEPA) as fast as possible. You will almost certainly get prosecuted and fined at least the sum you have saved in not registering for however many years you should have done (up to 10 years) but admitting it will be accepted as mitigation by the courts.
The most complex part of the legislation is data collection. If you are in a position to collect data for 2007 now you can at least get an application in (or join a compliance scheme) by this year's deadline (early April)
I would suggest that you look at whether there is a compliance scheme for your specific industry and if not try approaching one of the large schemes like Valpak and ask them for their advice on your situation. I bet they've heard it all before!
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Posted By Chas I have read recently that the EA and Bristol Magistrates Court has fined a multi-million pound mushroom producing company £6795 for failing to register, recover and recycle waste packaging. I have not got a link to the case but the EA or Bristol Magistrates Court should have info. Hope this is of interest.
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Posted By Jim Walker Be very careful with EA as they can be really (I say no more as the mods will shut me down!).
In a previous job I invited them to visit me to discuss a possible minor failing. I met the EA woman in the reception and said hello and held out my hand to shake hers. She handed me her business card and her first words to me was a caution, you know - "you have a right to remain silent" etc.
As it happened we had done nothing wrong but were rapidly approaching a limit.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis I would simply go for registration asap and not worry about the past situation. I have never found the owning up to a problem to work with the EA. If they ask the question then answer honestly having spoken to a decent environmental solicitor first.
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Posted By mike morland Teaboy A minefield it can be to the beginner. We have been registered for 10 years also, but due to the complexity of the calculations, we made some fundamental mistakes in the first few years. In terms of EA, I find them helpful providing you are trying to meet your obligations. Can't expect them to be lenient if companies are seen to be deliberately avoiding what is a legal requirement (same goes for HSE). The task is somewhat easier now as I have developed an excel spreadsheet that automatically calculates my obligations once I enter the total tonnage of each waste type. You already feel that your company is 'skating on thin ice' by ignoring it's legal obligations. Perhaps the Defra booklet - 'Is your Company Complying?' may help put your point across (download pdf from www.defra.gov.uk). Also visit www.opsi.gov.uk to download the 2005 Regulations. Hope this helps. Regards
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Posted By Heather Collins Mike
I will admit we also made some fundamental mistakes in the early years with the calculations, as the guidance is not straightforward. However I've found the EA to be very fair although obviously they have to apply the rules.
I also have a spreadsheet for calculating obligations, but as we are directly registered with the Agency rather than a compliance scheme, I am now using the electronic registration form, which does all the calculations for you. This was a great deal easier last year than doing it all myself.
This year we can also submit the certificate of compliance and operational plan electronically and all in all the online system (which is easy to use) has made the whole process much more user friendly.
Now if anyone has a fool-proof method of accounting for all their imported transit packaging without a totally disproportionate amount of work, I'd love to know!
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Posted By mike morland Heather
We too are registered directly with the Agency and coincidentally I confirmed my Certificate of Compliance to them yesterday to be followed by signed downloaded copy.
Don't know if you noticed but page 2 of electronic Application to Register asked you to give the total packaging 'handled' in the calculation year and to submit an Operational Plan if over 500 tonnes.
We handled 700 tonnes and duly submitted the plan as previous years. However when you click onto the electronic C of C page it states that plan is only required if your 'obligation' is over 500 tonnes. Our calculated obligation for the year was 180 tonnes and after confirming with the EA, we do not have to submit said plan. Some time saving to be had.
Regards
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Posted By Heather Collins Mike
You're ahead of me - I'm still waitng for the Agency to validate the account of my new "approved person" so I can submit the CofC.
Yes, the operational plan requirement has changed this year. We too handle over 500 tonnes but have an obligation below that figure. Frankly the operational plan was a waste of time and paper anyway at our level.
Most companies seem to opt for the compliance scheme route and direct registration seems to be in the minority. Did you ever consider a compliance scheme? We never did and as the most complex part is data collection which we'd have to do ourselves anyway, I don't intend to change.
Apologies to the OP for hijacking his thread!
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Posted By mike morland Heather
I'm sure OP will be happy that his original posting has allowed others to share info relative to his topic.
I agree with your sentiments regarding EA v Compliance Scheme. The latter may suit some companies who do not have the resources to deal with their obligations themselves or find it less of a 'hassle' to hand it over to someone else.
Having spent 10 years understanding the obligation and having developed a good working relationship directly with the appropriate recycling/reprocessing mills, I feel that as a SME, registering directly with the EA is the most cost effective route for us.
Fortunately, by the end of this month I will know my obligation for 2008 for the year 2007 and will have already ordered my PRN's / ePRN's for delivery in the next financial year.
Regards
Mike
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