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Posted By Gary Tofts
Hi all
I would like to gage the opinion of fellow H&S professionals! I asked my employer whether they would finance my NVQ4 back in October I had no response and decided to finance it myself, this morning out of the blue they agreed to offer the finance. Senior management do not support or value Health and Safety and I have no formal lines of communication with any directors regarding H&S and find myself performing a role with very little support. There are plans to sell the company in about a years time, my quandary is this should I accept the funding in which case I will be dept to the company as the MD is a share holder and looking for new partners to buy shares in the company, or should I leave things as they are and not owe the company anything if I decide to seek alternative employment once my NVQ4 is complete. I do not believe I have any long term future with my present employer and seek to find a more rewarding role in which I am allowed to do my job effectively. Comments welcome! Regards GT.
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Posted By John Hamilton
Hi Gary,
My employer (a UK plc) funded mine subject to fairly strict terms on me then leaving with the knowledge gained. If i'm a 'good leaver' (i.e. made redundant) then I don't pay anything, but if I leave of my own accord up to 12 months of completing it i'd owe all the money back, 1-2 years it would 50%, over 2 years nothing.
It's unclear from your message whether the funding is a loan, but why not suggest something like the above? I can send you our terms if helps the discussion.
Cheers, John
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Posted By Bob Youel
DIY as then you owe nothing to nobody and all your achievements are yours
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Posted By Gary Tofts
Hi Guys
Thanks for your responses! I have had trouble in the past after accepting funding for training then leaving that employment even though I was not asked to sign any terms or conditions! I guess your right Bob at the end of the day if I self fund then I don't owe anybody anything! I'm buying my own passport to a better future and it's a big world out there full of opportunities, so I'm told! Many Thanks G.T.
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Posted By Jonathan Breeze
But then Gary if you are resigned to paying, why not accept the employers terms?
That way if you stay, the training is free, but if you leave - then you've not paid any more than you would have if you went solo.
The only suggestion I would make is that you somehow hedge a sum of money equivalent to the training fee in a bank account until it is needed and if it isn't then enjoy spending it after the terms have been met.
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Posted By Gary Tofts
My employer has not asked for me to accept any terms on the training, however there wold be a lot of bad feeling if I then left even after two years. I would be expected to stay for all eternity and be eternally grateful! G.T.
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Posted By Brigham
Seems to me that you might be a bit too presumtive over your company. It doesn't seem logical that a company with no regard for H&S and has plans to sell itself in a year would want to fund any training at all. Maybe you want to re-appraise your thoughts and if there are no massive strings attached, take what the company is offering with thanks.
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Posted By AF
Gary
Word to the wise!
Whilst you are to be credited for taking the bull by the horns and deciding that you want a career in health and safety in the first place. More equally so, you are wanting to back yourself in having the relevant qualifications.
What employers DO NOT want, are employees who jump ship everytime they complete a qualification. After all they are investing in your development, and they want to see a return for that investment.
Why not let your employer invest in you, stay the pre-requisite term and use that term to focus on achieving benefits for your employer - ie implementing management systems, reducing accidents & incidents by XYZ % or whatever.
This way you can demonstrate within your career, that whilst you have gained a qualification, the employer has benefitted by whatever, and you also gain additional experience.
This way its a win-win for everyone concerned
Also makes you attractive for future development opportunities (with your employer or elsewhere)
Alex
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Posted By David Bannister
Gary, I would accept the offer of funding. It just may be that the due diligence process has started and snr management has realised that H&S needs a higher profile. With the funding may come more snr management interest. New owners may also value your contribution more highly.
You still have the option of looking around at any time of your choosing. If then you choose to leave because you're fed up of banging your head on the brick wall they can hardly call foul.
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