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Posted By Barry Cooper
I appreciate this may have been asked before, but have done a search and not found it.
On a CDM site, who is responsible for contractors working on site who are NOT part of the PC Contract - The client arranges for contractors to visit site and do work! Who should check method statement, permits,
inductions etc?
I always understood that the PC was responsible for safety on site, but is he responsible for the clients contractors?
Barry
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Posted By GARRY WIZZ
I have the same situation and the following seems to have worked.
Informed CDMC that client was employing and that the client must ascertain that contractors are competent.
Client has told CDMC to do competency check.
We as PC have received a copy of contractor returns to CDMC.
I have notified the CDMC that one of the contractors fails to meet our criteria as being competent.
Contractor is still employed and as PC we operate to reduce an incident as best as we can.
Garry
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie
If the work being done by the clients contractor forms part of the clients project (Note: It does not have to be part of the PC's contracted works) then the PC should treat them as a contractor under his H&S Plan. Likewise the contractor has a duty to comply with the arrangements for H&S made by the PC.
If the works are not required to complete the client's project. (i.e completely independent but geographically close) then the Management Regs duty regarding employers sharing a common workspace would apply. (Communicate; co-ordinate & co-operate)
Hope this helps
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Posted By Mal
Hi Barry
Just to confirm previous respondent, PC has responsibility for health and safety management on site. Therefore anybody, regardless of contractual arrangements who is to work on the site during their tenure as PC must satisfy the PC that they are fit to work on said site, so as PC you would induct, check MS & RA etc.
However beforehand the client should also have carried out some form of competency check, this would be dictated by his relationship with the contractor, ie: are they on his approved list, or has he asked the CDMC to check them out, etc.
Hope this helps Barry, regards.
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Posted By Crim
Hi Barry,
The PC is responsible for the site therefore any contractors operating on site report to the PC.
You should check all method statements and risk assessments prior to allowing any work and also if they have been competence checked. If anything is below the required standard they should not be allowed to start.
They should be induction trained with record kept.
Please bear in mind that once all checks have been done you do not have to supervise the work of sub-contractors.
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Posted By Martyn Hendrie
Mal/Crim
Just for clarification the key work in the regulations is "project"
The client could have contractors working in their premises that require access to the physical site occupied by the Principal Contractor, but that does not make them contractors the PC has to control. The PC does not have direct control over people NOT engaged in his project.
The same situation applies where the client's processes remain live and his operatives require access whilst development of a plant is taking place.
The management regulations requirements for co-ordination, etc. should then ensure safety.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
If the contractor is working within the project area controlled by the PC the PC is responsible for the safety of persons affected by the works. This arises directly from the duty of the PC to secure the site. If the client wishes others to work he has to ensure adequate co-ordination and co-operation. Both of these latter 2 duties are directly part of CDM07 and relate to ALL construction parties.
Bob
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Posted By Crim
Martyn,
If I am PC I will control anyone who enters the site. If they do not cooperate they will be removed from the site. Project/site mean the same to me.
How else can any visitor to the site understand what is going on and what arrangements are in place to protect them and other operatives.
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Posted By CHRISTIAN WEST
I know this thread is a bit old now but i have a question.
as pc i understand we have overhaul control of contractors who are within our cdm area, even if we have not appointed the contractor eg client appointed, if we have no defined cdm area from the start how can we control contractors when we dont know if they are in our area or not ?
this is on a very large site with different works with different contractors.
thanks Chris
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Posted By David Brede
You should agree with the Client your CDM area and then you can enforce standards of safety within it.
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