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#1 Posted : 09 January 2008 20:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ian Aspinall
Hello, everybody.

I am looking for any guidance with regards to removing old fashioned lath & plaster. Originally, the bonding agent for this medium consisted of horsehair. With animal hides there is always a risk from anthrax spores.
The ideal solution is to encapsulate it i.e. overboard with plasterboard, but the client insists on removal.
PPE & RPE are essential but do we have to go as far as immunisation?
Has anyone any experience of this?
surely, the original plasterer didn't suffer any harm when he mixed it long long ago.
Is this the new asbestos scare or are we constructing another H&S myth?
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#2 Posted : 09 January 2008 22:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Alan Haynes
Did as 'google'and found the following;-

Anthrax in Plaster/

Plaster usually contains horsehair and, before controls were introduced in 1895, could contain anthrax spores. Although there are no recorded cases of infections from this source, when removing plaster you should take reasonable precautions.

English Heritage recommend that you should:

cover all cuts, abrasions and other wounds with waterproof dressings to prevent infection

keep hands and fingernails clean and avoid hand-to-mouth contact during work

wear protective clothing (such as disposable gloves, overalls, eye protection, dust masks) appropriate to the task in hand.

Dust masks should provide protection against infectious agents (FFP3 type, European Standard EN 149).

not eat or drink in work areas and wash hands thoroughly before handling food

keep first aid kits well-maintained and to hand, and ensure they contain waterproof dressings

if removing old plaster, ensure that it is disposed of in accordance with local and statutory national controls, and that the generation of dust is minimised (e.g. by vacuum cleaning using a high-efficiency filter instead of dry-brush cleaning).

keep surrounding areas clean and dust-free
ensure that personal are informed of the risk and risk management strategy.


Hope this helps
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#3 Posted : 10 January 2008 07:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Youel

Workers died like flyes years ago so we do not know the real effects of this area however even in the 1800's a problem was identified so you need to recognise this fact

There is a real risk but common sense should be used, so take care & follow the guidelines noted herein - additionally the waste is hazardous so take advice from a competent waste person [use the DEFRA site]-

In this case the client may be correct re wanting it removed however they will have to pay for it

Asbestos can be removed in all cases where the client insists that it be removed as leaving it alone is only an option. Again the client pays

The HSE's stance re leave it alone where we can if it is in good condition is, in my personal opinion, reasonable but mainly political and only base guidance; as one day it will have to be tackled by somebody!

Risk assess and offer the options to the client
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#4 Posted : 10 January 2008 08:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Dear Ian,

This is a theoretical risk! Whilst you can get the odd anthrax spores from lime plaster to multiply, there have been no cases of anthrax in plasters working on old plaster.

Plasterers using horse hair did suffer from anthrax. However, the anthrax was a viable organism. Furthermore the infectious load with anthrax is high (>10^3 CFU). The typical method of dealing with animals with anthrax was to bury them in lime. So using lime plaster is a pretty good method of inactivating the organism.

Regardless of the theoritical risk of anthrax, persons removing lime plaster should be wearing respiratory protection because of the exposure to irritant dusts.

Regards Adrian Watson




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#5 Posted : 10 January 2008 08:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Adrian Watson
Dear Ian,

This is a theoretical risk! Whilst you can get the odd anthrax spores from lime plaster to multiply, there have been no cases of anthrax in plasters working on old plaster.

Plasterers using horse hair did suffer from anthrax. However, the anthrax was a viable organism. Furthermore the infectious load with anthrax is high (>10^3 CFU). The typical method of dealing with animals with anthrax was to bury them in lime. So using lime plaster is a pretty good method of inactivating the organism.

Regardless of the theoretical risk of anthrax, persons removing lime plaster should be wearing respiratory protection because of the exposure to irritant dusts.

Regards Adrian Watson

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#6 Posted : 10 January 2008 08:25:00(UTC)
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Posted By Konstanty Budkiewicz
Ian,

Mid -last year I was working on the removal of plaster in Barnes, London as part of a DIY renovation. I noticed that whilst undertaking the work that my eyes were becoming sore. I spoke to contractors working in an adjacent property and they informed me that they had encountered the same issue during major refits.
Upon seeking medical advice from a local doctor they were advised, that in the Victorian era it was practice in the area to use furnace ash as a filling agent. This ash contained acidic byproducts; hence, when the plaster was disturbed it became airborne and the contractors suffered both sore throats and eyes. Once the wore appropriate PPE the health effects were brought under control.
You may want to roll this aspect into your safety plan, if sore eyes become an issue.

Regards

Kon

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#7 Posted : 10 January 2008 08:32:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mart
It is very important to cover cuts and abrasions as i have suffered blood poisoning on numerous occasions when dealing with old lathe and plaster.
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#8 Posted : 10 January 2008 10:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chas
Try and get hold of the HSE publication HSG174 Anthrax - Safe Working and Prevention of Infection. (It could be out of print). Whilst it is geared towards people working with animals and higher risk situations it does give some guidance on controls and risk assessment.
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#9 Posted : 11 January 2008 09:18:00(UTC)
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Posted By Chas
Further to my earlier comment you may also like to try and get a copy of 'Anthrax and Historic Plaster - Managing minor risks in historic building refurbishment' published by English Heritage.
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#10 Posted : 22 February 2008 16:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Tom100
"there are no recorded cases of infections from this source"

Human infection is also extremely rare from any source. Buy a lottery ticket - a lot more people have become lottery millionaires in the last 15 years than have contracted anthrax.

The dust is at best unpleasant, and has been said could be an irritant, so definitely avoid breathing it, and protect your eyes and skin. But please don't fret about being stricken down by a scary disease.
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