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#1 Posted : 10 January 2008 13:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Kenworthy Our fleet of vehicles (approx 250) is being replaced and during discussions about colour, logo and fitting out, came a question for which I did not know the answer. I was asked if warning diamonds should be put on all vehicles carrying or likely to carry dangerous goods? We are a local authority Social Housing ALMO and carry out repairs, maintenance and improvements to 22,000 homes in Doncaster and our tradesman carry small amounts of COSHH substances. I have found details about quantities of substances where diamonds and EAC codes are mandatory, but no guidelines or Best Practice for smaller quantities. Can somebody please offer me guidance on whether or not we should affix diamonds on our vehicles? If it is good practice, should we display the diamonds on all four sides of the vehicle or just the rear? Mark Kenworthy Safety Advisor
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#2 Posted : 10 January 2008 14:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves Mark I am not a DGSA but would refer you to the ADSR regulations - can be found on http://www.unece.org/tra...adr2007/07ContentsE.html In particular "limited quantities" may be relevant (Annex A Part 3) and vehicles (Annex B) Colin
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#3 Posted : 10 January 2008 15:23:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stefan Daunt The full adr 2007 manual is downloadable from http://www.hse.gov.uk/cdg/manual/ Depending on the amount of goods carried you may be exempt under "limited quantaties".
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#4 Posted : 10 January 2008 15:48:00(UTC)
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Posted By Merlin Mark A lot will depend on the amounts/quantities and frequency you carry. If you come under regular use then you must have a Dangerous Goods safety advice onboard to give good advice, As for hazard warning panels all you would need if in compliance is orange plates front and back plus trem-cards (tech- Hazard Information for the Driver) for the substance being carried
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#5 Posted : 10 January 2008 16:16:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Simply put If you are carry Dangerous Goods which are 'In Scope' then the appropriate hazardous warning signage (Orange Rectangle) must be displayed on the vehicle front and rear and in some case on the sides as well. You will also need ADR training and Security Training for the driver and maybe the passenger as well, also the relevant Emergency equipment must be carried at all times and a 'tremcard' displayed. The individual UN DG packages inside the vehicle must display the relevant hazard labels eg Flammable, oxidising, explosive etc. There is NO requirement to display this on the outside of the vehicle Mark go to the HSE www and you can download the DG carriage manual http://www.hse.gov.uk/cd...s/carriagemanual2007.pdf This will explain all
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#6 Posted : 10 January 2008 16:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By AHS Mark Use a DGSA its incredibly complicated and a specialist field.
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#7 Posted : 10 January 2008 16:30:00(UTC)
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Posted By Mark Kenworthy Thanks for the responses so far but my lack of knowledge in this field means that the regs are 'all Greek to me'. I've downloaded and printed the HSE's Carriage of Dangerous Goods Manual and looked at other internet resources but can't find an answer to what I thought is a simple question. If I re-phase this might help. We carry very limited loads of Dangerous Goods for example 15 kgs of propane or 5lts of insecticide or 1lt of sulphuric acid, these might, might, form one load, but this is highly unlikely. At what quantities would these substances require me to display a simple coloured warning diamond? IE the red 'Flammable' or green 'compressed gas' diamond. Thanks for the responses and keep'em coming. Mark
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#8 Posted : 10 January 2008 16:42:00(UTC)
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Posted By Colin Reeves Mark I am not familiar with ADR regs, but under the IMDG (International Maritime DG Code) then there is no limited quantity for propane, all has to be carried under full regulations! Colin
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#9 Posted : 10 January 2008 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Simon Shaw I think the simple answer is that you don't have to display the diamonds on vehicles. There are however certain safety standards that should be adhered to.... have a look at: http://www.bcga.co.uk/publications/L1.pdf
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#10 Posted : 10 January 2008 16:55:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Wilson Mark. basically you are allowed to carry a certain amount of DG in small quantities without DG regs applying and you will have to find out what these limits are for the different DG you may carry. The packages/ bottles / cans / boxes etc must display the hazardous symbols you refer to, These may or may not be required to be displayed on the outside of the vehicle, it is dependent on the type of vehicle and the load carried, also the type of placarding you use. If you are carrying above these small limits then ORANGE PLACARDING and all the other stuff must be in place as you will be whats called 'in Scope' you have to find out what the transport category is ( ie what type of DG is it? class 1 to class 9 DG type)and then this will let you know what this threshold is. So for fibrous asbestos (blue brown) which is miscellaneous Dangerous Goods Class 9 is in transport category 2 so you can carry up to 330kg and above this you will be 'in scope' In Transport Category (TC) 0 cant carry any DG TC 1 up to 20kg/l TC 1A 50kg/l TC 2 333 kg/l TC 3 1000kg/l TC 4 Unlimited also if you mix them then their is a multiplies you have to use as well
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#11 Posted : 11 January 2008 00:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By Ron Hunter Mark, Please take care with your chosen final approach. Inappropriate labelling of vehicles can in turn lead to an inappropriate or disproportionate response from the emergency services should the vehicle be involved in an accident. As a 'worst case' example, rescue of trapped & injured occupants could be delayed. Perhaps direct your efforts and minimising amounts needing to be carried and making sure they are well secured/protected.
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#12 Posted : 11 January 2008 08:14:00(UTC)
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Posted By Stupendous Man Mark, Having worked with the transport of dangerous goods in a past life, I would certainly recommend that you get the advice of a DGSA (Dangerous Goods Safety Advisor). There is no one single and simple response to your question and you may be carrying goods without realising that they are dangerous for carriage. A DGSA (there are plenty out there offering the service on an ad-hoc basis) will be able to review what you transport and give you firm advice - not to mention peace of mind.
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#13 Posted : 19 February 2008 14:07:00(UTC)
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Posted By Bob Ludgate Hi Mark, I provide Dangerous Goods services involving initial audit of businesses compliance with Transport of Dangerous Goods Regs 2007, Hazardous Waste Regs 2005 etc. Tel 01603 612225
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#14 Posted : 20 February 2008 08:49:00(UTC)
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Posted By MP In my opinion, as a DGSA, there is no real best practice here. If you are carrying DG and you are above the scope of the ADR threshold limits, then do what the Regs require. If you are below the scope, do nothing other than make sure the driver is aware of the hazards of the load and it is properly secured, etc. If you do want to stick hazard diamonds on the back of the van - please remember to remove them when no DGs are being carried. Hope this helps MP
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#15 Posted : 20 February 2008 09:24:00(UTC)
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Posted By Paul Leadbetter Mark Try using the e-mail forum of the Chemical Hazard Communication Society: http://www.chcs.org.uk/ Paul
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