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Posted By Mostafa
I'm in the middle of carrying out a fire risk assessment for a hotel and was wondering:
The hotel has 6 rooms on the first floor and 11 on the second floor,
There is only one extinguisher per floor and is water, surely there would have to be more as the amount of rooms and also wouldn't there need to be powder or co2 on the floors due to there being portable electrical equipment in each room, i.e. kettles.
In the kitchen there is a co2 and foam extinguisher, is this sufficient ?
I have read somewhere that all fire exits need to have a extinguisher wall mounted next to them, is this true ?
Also do all fire extinguishers have to be wall mounted,
Alot of questions i know , but i would rather check and be right.
Thanks alot
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Posted By Steve H
Are you sure you are competent to carry out a fire risk assessment, you dont seem to know the basics
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Posted By Crim
Why are you asking? In my opinion if you don't know these answers you should not be doing the FRA!
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Posted By Andrew Lochlyn Ure
Mostafa
Where are you located? Are you in the UK?
If not do you know what your local legislation calls for in regard to fire protection in a hotel environment?
Regards
Andrew
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Posted By M Forbes
Im not 100% on the legislation for a hotel, but i'd imagine the top priority of a FRA would be to ensure all fire alarm systems are working, the alarm is audible in all locations, the escape routes are clearly signposted, and there are enough escape routes to evacuate all personnel in a space of around 2 minutes.
In a hotel enviroment, fire extinguishers are not a top priority, as the guests using the fire extinguishers could often have more severe consequences than if the fire was left to burn.
Property loss is acceptable, a loss of life isn't.
Just my opinion though.
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Posted By Bob Thompson CMIOSH
I undertook a recent FRA in a Hotel where the action plan included High priority issues such as the Alarm not giving 75db in all rooms amongst other things at the top of my list was Fire doors not shutting into rebates properly and not having their metalwork mounted on intumescent paper. The fire officer visited a few days later and stated that the assessment re the fire doors was absolutly correct, as the alarm will only alert to a problem, and people will respond in a number of ways he saw extinguishers only as a means to aid escape if needed. but Fie doors were the main defense from fire after preventing one from starting.
Regards Bob
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Posted By graeme12345
Mostafa,
I would give the HSE or your local authority a ring, they would offer excellant advice
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Posted By Philip Beale
Mostafa
looking at the questions you have asked do you feel that you are qualified to carry out a FRA some of these questions are very basic which to me might mean that you are missing the real issues as others above have mentioned. have you had any training on carrying out FRA especially given that you are carrying out a FRA at a hotel which has probably one of the greatest risks if a fire broke out (people not responding to fire alarms, drunk guests, untrained staff etc)
If it's a one of assessment it might be worth looking for assistance, if it's something you are needing to do in the future then look at a training course.
Phil
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Posted By Sarah Sahc
Hi Phil,
I agree with your sentiments entirely - thank you......
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Posted By Tony abc jprhdnMurphy
Well said Phil.
A requirement under legislation is for people who are competent to conduct a risk assessment.In this case it is quite obvious that training and experience is sadly lacking.I suggest that people who ask advice on assessment of risk (regardless of the technicalities) should in future take professional advice from specialists. Hotel Fire Risk Assessments are complex, and should not be undertaken by any Tom Dick or Harry
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Posted By Tracey Kelly I agree with the comments about competency for performing risk assessments. Having read them, I checked what the Fire Safety sites for England & Wales http://www.communities.g...iresafety/firesafetylaw/ and Scotland http://www.infoscotland....aw/v2.jsp?pContentID=240 had to say about this. Amazingly, they say that anyone with common sense should be able to refer to the guidance and perform the risk assessments, although they do say that if you don't feel confident you should employ a specialist or competent person. They also say that more complex locations require more specialist assessments.
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Posted By Brett Day
Tony
I appreciate your sentiments and agree but fair play, the OP did actually bother to make checks and ask, perhaps we could be a little more diplomatic than "and should not be undertaken by any Tom Dick or Harry"?
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Posted By Philip Beale
"Amazingly, they say that anyone with common sense should be able to refer to the guidance and perform the risk assessments"
having been trained on FRA my view is leave it to someone who knows what they are doing there is so much to consider which may not be obvious wondering around with a tick sheet. maybe if it was a very basic office layout that may be OK as people would be alert and I'm sure will soon find there own way out of a work place that is familiar to them.
By the time you have read up on all the information needed and found a suitable template it's probably cheaper to pay someone to do the work for you.
But given the above was hotel then there is so much more to consider and if the worse did happen then what made you competent to carry out the RA reading a book is not enough given the risk /hazard.
Why not pay a consultant to carry out the risk assessment at least in the first year then maybe at looking at reviewing it yourself after that. Not sure why companies penny pinch on FRA when the consequences can be so serious even if there is not loose of life what about impact on the business.
Phil
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Posted By shaun mckeever
On what basis have the comments above been removed? I read one or two of them before they were deleted and I didn't think they were controversial.
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Posted By Heather Collins
Shaun
I assume it's because they questioned the competence of the original poster to carry out fire risk assessments.
Without meaning him any offence I would agree that if he needs to ask such questions he may inded not be competent to do the task. If this posting is removed we'll know I'm right about the reason...
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