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Posted By halesowen Baggie
I was speaking to a working group I have set up to try and reduce manual handling injuries across my contract. One of the warehouse employees suggested compulsory warm up exercises for a couple of minutes before shifts start work (trends show that a number of injuries occur when operatives have just started a shift).
I explained that I am sure exercises could not be made compulsory...... but then I thought of the various legislation we all work to and would these exercises reduce the risk of harm occurring with regard to manual handling injuries
I think they would, what do others think?
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Posted By Ron Hunter
Sound practical advice for all those engaged in physical labour, but perhaps not the prescriptive "all line up in the yard" variety.
What works for sportsmen and athletes is equally valid in the workplace - warmed up muscles are less prone to injury.
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Posted By Pete Longworth
Maybe we could supplement it with the force feeding of 5 portions of veg a day and compulsory gastric bands for those over 20 stones in weight. ;-)
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Posted By Konstanty Budkiewicz
HB,
Socially, I associate warn-up exercises and a preliminary step before significant exertion. In a work context, my first challenge would be why are we sustaining the injuries? For warehouse operations I would be continuously seeking to reduce the ergonomic and manual handling aspect, so that the potential for harm is kept to a minimum.
That said, you have a golden opportunity to identify the high risk harming events - ask the staff about the processes that need warm-up prep. It is likely that these are the ones that involve exertion and cause harm.
By all means do the warm-up process for the interim period(good laugh and team building opportunity), but aim for lifting assessments and the review of processes. This will no doubt lead to the introduction of lifting aides or changes in lifting techniques.
Regards
Kon CMIOSH
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Pete
We must not juice the 5 portions though otherwise they will become 1 portion - Strange but true - it is something to do with the definitions that government scientists and EU have developed. Apparently Innocent smoothies or one of the other big players was taken to task over this recently. They had claimed a smoothie had 3 portions of fruit, which they did before juicing, but they were clearly told that the drink was 1 portion no matter how much fruit was present.
The wonderful world of food!
Bob
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Posted By Pete Longworth
Bob
That's why I stay a way from "smoothy makers" "juicers" and other such hippyness. I'm a meat pie and mushy peas person and always will be. Having said that I play golf and support Burnley FC so nobody's perfect.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Pete
Mushy peas are still a portion of veg I think!!:-)
Meat, fat and fibre in the pie and peas then - Complet balanced diet methinks!
We could warm up by chewing through a few of them
Bob
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Posted By steve e ashton
get a decent pie and you get all four food groups together - sugar, fat, gristle, and burnt crunchy bits.
Warm-up and toning exercises can be very useful in reducing individual predisposition to muscular strain. I used to do human kinetcs training and always included warm up stretching and toning exercises.
The RoSPA / Doug Payne videos (with Robin Nedwell - which probably shows my age) "Moving On" and "Get a Move On" advocated this approach.
Whether you can (or should) make them compulsory is another question, but I try to keep an open mind...
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Posted By Phil Grace
Did anybody watch the programmes about the renovation of St Pancras station?
A foreman called over a worker to help him lift something... his first question was "Have you done your warm up exercises? Now I might by too cynical, it might have been done for the cameras... but I was impressed.
And also by something in an earlier exercise where an engineer being filmed walking through the site told someone to stop running...! Now that's what I call safety culture.
Phil
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Posted By Adam Worth
I brought this up a while ago and got an emailed response on the subject from someone who worked on some research for the new Manual Handling regs. (Not sure why they didn’t share it with us all?)
According to the research there is NO scientific evidence that warming up reduces injury, also it was pointed out the most people are 'warm enough' when they get to work.
hmmmm
I will provide links to the research if people like.
However I think there are some tricky issues.
a) What is suitably and sufficiently warmed up?
b) What if injuries occur during warm up (or if incorrect warms up lead to problems?
c) How would you taylor warm ups for specific tasks?
Trickier than you fist think, although from my experience of martial arts, yoga and my back problem I think it’s an important topic
As for smoothies there was a good article in New Scientist about them upping your sperm count, who'd argue with that!!!!
I'm a hippie at heart and a semi vegetarian but still think that the peas in pot noodle, or the fruit in a bar of Fruit and Nut must count as 1 portion!
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Posted By shaun mckeever
A warm up sounds like a good idea but I don't think we should limit it to physical exercise. The brain needs to warm up too so I would suggest doing a crossword or game of sudoku in the morning. Don't know how the boss might think about that!
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Posted By M Forbes
Adam
Im sorry to pick on you but i have this argument with my girlfriend all the time.
You are either a vegetarian or you aren't
She eats chicken she is NOT a vegetarian, yet she claims to be. Annoys the tits out of me lol
You're just getting the brunt of this domestic dispute cuz im at work and cant bawl down her throat at the moment. . .
Im guessing you say semi-vegetarian cuz you eat chicken?
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Posted By Adam Worth
Sorry to Hijack the thread but I have to reply...
I don't eat chicken!
I'm just too polite to be a real veggie! :) If someone has gone to the effort of cooking for me then I eat it!
Hence semi...
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Posted By George Adsett-Knutsen
Hi all, my first contribution to the IOSH discussion forum.
Adam, I had heard this but did not know the source, please can you supply the link. Many thanks.
George - 17+ years a real veggie but just started eating fish again like there's no tomorrow!
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Posted By Tina Reinson
I have been told by a local H&S Adviser that the Ford factory in Southampton, before the start of the morning shift, do a 5 minute warm-up routine for their workers. I think this is a great idea not only physiologically but socially too.
I would definitely advocate exercise not only before work but, quite importantly, during working hours too. Taking regular breaks, exercising and stretching are paramount to help keep MSDs at bay. Equally exercise is good for reducing stress and helping improving motivation and productivity! Need I go on?
For anyone who wants to try some exercises to do while at work, check out http://www.daily-exercise.com/equipmentfree
the exercises are free and actually quite useful
Tina Reinson
www.coreminutes.com
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Posted By CFT
Ah, right then, 'up one two, down one two, up one two; now the other sock'
C
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Posted By Jim Walker
We get plenty of exercise in our office, as everyone:
Jumps to conclusions
flies off the handle
run the boss down
stab people in the back
push their luck
dodge responsibility
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Posted By Jim Walker
And another thing!.........
I get plenty of vegtables & fruit in my diet
Cows eat grass
I eat beef, beef is just concentrated grass.
I drink wine which is just fruit with the water taken out
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Posted By Glyn Atkinson
Jim seems to have hit the right wavelength !!
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Posted By garyh
Keep it up guys!
Newspaper headlines are a bit thin then along comes the cavalry..........
"SAFETY TALIBAN ZEALOTS MAKE US DO AREOBICS AT WORK!
Thanks again (from a Mr A Newspaper-editor)
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Posted By Ron Hunter
A free poster is advertised as being available at www.hewden.co.uk , intended to encourage employees to warm up before carrying out any lifting activity.
I have no connection with Hewden. Other hire companies are available.
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