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#1 Posted : 17 January 2008 09:43:00(UTC)
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Posted By Elliot Morton
Good Morning

I am reviewing our RA + permit to enter a confined space in a Crane Barge, normally in a shipyard a Marine Chemist comes and issues a Gas Free Certificate to enter a void space / ballast tank.
I propose for our own on board work to test the atmosphere before entry with a "Crowcon triple Plus" Gas Detector (Calibrated and in Date) lowered on a string to test the Void space at all levels.
The voids are vented 24 hrs before test
will this be a suitable test of the atmosphere?

regards Elliot
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#2 Posted : 17 January 2008 10:21:00(UTC)
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Posted By Dave Merchant
You won't get anyone answering "yes" on here (ooh I can feel the liability monsters biting as I speak) but your RA should ask the following questions:-

1) What are the gas(es) that may be present and does the detector detect them?
2) Does the detecting process cover the space adequately (i.e. are there dead spaces, corners etc that may still contain gases)?
3) Is there a policy on who must perform the test (from an insurer, etc)? The Confined Space Regulations simply require 'competence' but often companies impose stricter internal rules.


I would assume that for a sealed barge your primary concern is oxygen depletion from corrosion of the metal surfaces, in which case any detector with an O2 sensor would measure it - but if there are other issues such as residual chemicals, fumes from internal combustion engines, etc. you'll have to also sense for those. I presume the chemist that usually issues the certificate can explain what they'd test for.
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#3 Posted : 17 January 2008 10:26:00(UTC)
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Posted By Elliot Morton
Hi Dave

They are empty Water ballast tanks, void space tanks and empty diesel fuel oil tanks.
We want to enter them for inspection and cleaning - prior to Maritime and Coastguard inspection to make sure all is okay

regards Elliot
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#4 Posted : 17 January 2008 14:53:00(UTC)
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Posted By Kevin D Forbes
Elliot

There is a small flaw with your plan to lower the crowcon into the space. You need to be able to record the levels present. If you lower the crowcon in you will not be able to see the readings on screen. The crowcon will only alarm at set thresholds to meet the requirements of a suitable gas test you need to be able to record exact readings. There is a special pump tube you can get that fits onto the crowcon and then is lowered into the space, they are available in different lengths.

I Work offshore on an FPSO where we regularly have to enter balast tanks etc. drop me an email if you would like a copy of a gas testing procedure or indeed any other info on working in these spaces.

Kev
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#5 Posted : 17 January 2008 16:44:00(UTC)
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Posted By Helen C
Hi there,

With the Crowcon Triple Plus (and the Crowcon Triple Plus Plus version) you can go into the menus (you'll need the password) and turn on 'peak readings'. When the peak readings are turned on, if you lower the monitor into the space, leave it for the prescribed period of time and then withdraw the monitor, it will display the minimum oxygen, maximum flammable and maximum toxic detected since the peaks were turned on. This may be useful for your application.

Another thing to consider....
Is your monitor a pumped device? Most are not. If yours isn't you will have to manually aspirate the monitor (i.e. pump it using a bulb pump with your hand), should you decide to go down that route.
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#6 Posted : 17 January 2008 16:47:00(UTC)
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Posted By Helen C
If you give me a call I can talk you through setting up the peaks.
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