Posted By Norman Mcleod Has anyone had any experience of dealing with controls/procedures regarding this topic area? At present the attendants always operate in pairs,and gather the money in cash boxes (20KG when full). A risk assessment is required which is ok, my difficulty is how far do I go with control measures. I will also be developing a process map. Can anyone point me in the right direction for reasonably practicable control measures, I have some ideas but if anyone has any nuggets of knowledge in this area, I would appreciate a chat or communication via e-mail. Thanks in Advance Norman McLeod

Posted By Norman Mcleod Thanks for that Phil. In response, there is no current method statement that is why I was looking for some more info. I had considered most of the options you have listed, although its further down the list of control measures but PPE has got to be considered, or do you think that is overkill. Thanks again for taking the time to respond to my thread. Norman

Posted By Philip Beale "In response, there is no current method statement that is why I was looking for some more info." Forget method statement how are they currently collecting the cash. People will normally find the best way to carry out a task well at least they did before RA were invented. As the other poster said do you use cctv at the carparks maybe the operator could monitor them when collecting cash from the machine as well if the car parks are fitted with cctv

Posted By Philip Beale John do you want to use your credit debit card to pay for 30p parking. "who Cares" bearing in mind this is a forum for Safety and health the rest of us do. Nothing like an unhelpful comment Phil

Posted By Philip Beale Not wanting to take this of subject. But with cards being cloned at cash machines i should think that people would be wary about paying for 30p parking at a ticket machine on their card With many different types of parking around (multi story to single bay) each making collection of money more difficult multi story could be done monitored by cctv or security personnel when the machine is emptied but how do you collect from parking with a meter at each bay as in most city streets.this would make it hard to change all machines to card type or even costly which would get past on to the customer. Phil

Posted By Pete48 In my local area, I can call and pay over the telephone using a credit or debit card. No struggling to remember how many 5,10,20,etc etc coins I need to park. The machines are still there but fewer and fewer people are using them, perhaps this really is an achievable future? And when did you last park anywhere for 30p? I want to move there!!

Posted By Konstanty Budkiewicz Norman, I am not a security specialist and largely agree with Phil's original submission concerning controls. My view is that you appear to have a model akin to that used by the Post Office. That is, single worker collecting low/medium value items. Your current control is 2-person manning to collect up to 20kg of goods. 2-person manning is costly and may be overly conservative. 20kg is notionally too heavy for single-man repetitive handling. Have you considered; talking to a Post Office security specialist about their safety philosophy. You could also vary the manning level appropriate to the risk at the pick-up area. They all will have varying degrees of risk (and camera coverage)associated with each collection area and you could vary the manning and method accordingly. Concerning the well being of the collector, consider reducing the manual handling load to a more sensible 15kg. The latter has the added advantage of reducing the attractiveness of the target amount to the attacker. You could also hinder the post-attack success by consulting specialist cash handling equipment providers. I have dye penetration and anti-handling devices in mind. Kon CMIOSH

Posted By Philip Beale "And when did you last park anywhere for 30p? I want to move there!!" Down here in Andover Hampshire. so long as you can do all your shopping in 30mins. I've seen them emptying parking meters in Southampton and it was just 2 men in a plain van open the meter take the cash box out empty one in. it takes lass than 2 minutes. not sure how practical emptying boxes when they are at 15kg i would imagine they are emptied at a set time and depending how busy the car parks have been will depend how much they have raked in for the council. it seems like any bit of street space round southampton they have managed to get a parking meter on it. it even comes in to force on a sunday. I guess it cheaper to pay a traffic warden to work a sunday and keep raking money in from traffic meters even though half the shops are shut. i wonder why everyone does their shopping at the big supermarkets which have free parking than shop in the local town that want to ripe you off for parking Phil

Posted By John Richards " "who Cares" bearing in mind this is a forum for Safety and health the rest of us do. Nothing like an unhelpful comment" Well, as a career it is doubtless very nice. The pay is good, with little risk of unemployment. Personally, I find the "bonkers conkers" news stories to be SO correct regarding H&S advisors. Many are so busy covering their backsides in case of litigation that they are of no use regarding safety. Cash attracts crooks. The number one saying in security. The more you have, the more "they" will try to remove it from you. Anybody who thinks they cannot remove the temptation by extracting payment by other means has little sense, and less interest in H&S than the 90% of british employers who have none.