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Posted By johnwaterson2773
Morning all,
Ws asked a question reference the above. I don't remember seeing or reading anything, but if going to work over 4m is there any information that says what or not to use.
The client wants to keep cost to a minimum, installing CCTV cameras. I have said use a working platform instead of ladders.
Operator has everything with him, no problems of over reach. We are looking at using podium steps or a cherry picker.
Thanks, John
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Posted By M Forbes
I hate to be one of these posters, but this really comes down to a Risk Assessment.
4 Metres is acceptable height to use any of the methods you have considered, mobile tower scaffold, cherry picker etc
However you must ensure the operator is competent in the use of the equipment, the equipment is in good condition and consider segregation of the area. Sorry if i'm stating the obvious.
Anyway Risk Assess the situation, the mobile tower scaffold will be cheaper however.
Regards
M Forbes
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Posted By garyh
WAH regs includes a hierachy of control etc - you should consult this, then do the risk assessment as above. The regs are straightforward and useful.
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Posted By johnwaterson2773
Yes thats what I told them, but they are looking at the cheapest option - shocker. Thanks
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Posted By garyh
It's simple - you can't go cheapest option - you go for reasonable practicability. Balance cost v risk. If you don't follow this process, then you are not complying with the regs, in my view.
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Posted By M Forbes
Garyh,
The cheapest option would be a ladder, i think considering he is looking down the route of a MEWP shows he is doing a good job of balancing cost v risk.
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M Forbes
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Posted By Dave Merchant
If they're installing CCTV cameras then a portable extension ladder is simply not an option - the WAHR requires the user not to operate 'hands free' except for a very brief moment of time and to have three points of contact available. There's no way someone can juggle a camera in one hand, a drill in another and still hope to control any loss of balance.
Download INDG402 from the HSE website, which explains the acceptable tasks on each type of portable ladder.
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Posted By M Forbes
John, you need to convince them that using a ladder is not the cheapest option.
Bring up some statistics on ladder related accidents, then ask them to calculate how much the death of that employee would cost the company.
Your speaking about a few hundred pounds for a mobile tower scaffold, or tens of thousands for a persons life. . . . . .
Remember however, your job is only to advise, if they don't take your advice theres nothing more you can do.
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M Forbes
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Posted By Dave Merchant
If the "Jim is worth more than fifty quid" argument doesn't convince them (and it often doesn't) then remind them that the HSE is and has been concentrating a massive enforcement effort on WAH. Looking at the data I've collated for 06-07:-
HSE enforcement actions under WAHR:-
624 improvement notices (12.5% of total)
1808 immediate prohibition notices (50% of total)
2444 total notices served (28% of total)
56 cases taken to court
36 convictions
£96,750 total fines
£2,688 average fine per case
Yes, you read it right - HALF of all the IP notices served in 06-07 were for the WAHR. You're ten times more likely to be served for misusing a portable ladder than for anything else, and not only are you in line for a chunky fine if convicted, your PL insurance premiums will start looking more like house prices.
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Posted By Robert K Lewis
Remember the HSE slips, trips and falls campaign begins on 25/02/08 in all work sectors. This type of work is in the middle of their concerns which will be ongoing after the campaign end.
I do not know any such situation where the work is performed with one hand only therefore ladders are not an option.
Bob
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