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Posted By Derek Williams
Hi all,
We send our service engineers to customers sites, the engineers often have to weld, solder or use grinders on those sites, is it our resposibility to supply Hot Work Permits/Permits to Work or is it the customers responsibility to furnish these.We supply a Method Statement and Safe Working Practice for thses activities.I would appreciate some feedback on this please.We issue a Permit for contractors on our site.
Regards,
Derek.
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Posted By Ron Hunter
I would suggest the onus is on the host to establish any permits required. What the host employer does, keeps or processes will have a significant bearing on what he can permit to happen within his workplace.
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Posted By Alan Hoskins
Derek,
If you were working on our site then we would issue a PTW, but not all companies run such schemes. If you turn up at an office or a shop for example, they are unlikely to have even heard of PTW.
You can't really provide your own because the client just wouldn't understand the concept and would be signing them (if they did) blind.
You seem to have it covered for those circumstances anyway.
Alan
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Posted By Adam Worth
In my opinion a Permit to work is indeed that - a Permit to carry out work on the premises you are visiting.
Amongst other things...
It ensures that the contractor is aware of hazards the plant may present, it ensures plant personnel are aware of what going on etc.
So if you wrote your own would it make the job safer? It would then effectively be a risk assessment as you are not ‘getting permission’ to work.
So in this case no permit to work system exists you should be liaising with the plant, conforming to their own SSoW and providing your own detailed risk assessment.
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Posted By CFT
The client issues it not you. Correctly you should forward any RA's and methodology pertaining to the works; most quality companies with a basic degree of knowledge in H&S related issues will issue you with a PTW.
CFT
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Posted By Karen Wilson
The client issues it on a DAILY basis. It must be signed off by both contractor and client on a daily basis - following at least an hours fire watch period upon completion of days work.
I was called in to investigate a fire a few years ago (caused £100k damage) - where the guys had nipped off home afer only half an hours watch, a member of the clients staff signed the contractors out - 3/4 hr after they had left. And the client had issued a hot works permit for a week!!!!! - The client did not ensure that a fire watch was undertaken - and left the PTW open.....
Think they learned their lesson!
Karen
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