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Posted By The toecap
When are ladder hoops to be placed onto ladders. Where in any documentation would hoops be required on ladders. I know it may state this in a risk assessment. But at what height. Also, if you where to clime a very tall ladder, say 80m. When would you be rquired to fix a harness on to a latchway system? For those who think a ladder of 80m is impossible. Try working on wind turbines. That's is where i work at the moment
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Posted By Mitch
I think from memory hoops are specified at 2.5m and above, there is a British Stadard for this BS4211 : 2005
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Posted By The toecap
Thanks Mitch. I wonder if i cna get a copy from somwhere
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Posted By Mitch
I think I have an old copy of the previous Standard to this one at home, not this version! You might try your supplier/subcontractor they have to work to something.
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Posted By Kenneth Patrick Quote from this HSE webpage: "Various legislative and guidance documents specify ladder safety hoops on fixed access ladders, (alternatively rendered as caged ladders), and give the impression that the purpose of the hoops is to protect workers from falling to the ground or other platform. Previous research has indicated that there is virtually a total lack of knowledge in regard to ladder safety hoops, and in conjunction with anecdotal accident evidence and a lack of test methods, uncertainties have been raised by persons conducting working at height risk assessments as to whether safety hoops can provide any form of fall-arresting capability. The overall aim of this preliminary investigation was to update the current state of knowledge and understanding in regard to what ladder safety hoops actually are, what their intended purpose is, and to establish by preliminary testing whether or not they could provide any form of fall-arresting capability. http://www.hse.gov.uk/research/rrhtm/rr258.htmIn the Construction (Working Places) Regulations (1966) the maximum vertical run of a ladder was set as 30 feet (9.15 m). Any height beyond this required a platform such that the maximum height between platforms was to be 9.15 m. No fall protection is stipulated whilst climbing the ladder. These regulations were completely revoked by the Construction (Health, Safety and Welfare) Regulations (1996), which continued the rule of a maximum of 9.0 m between ?safe landing areas or rest platforms?.
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Posted By Dave Merchant
There are two current standards:-
BS 4211:2005 "specification for permanently fixed ladders"
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BS EN ISO 14122-4:2004 "safety of machinery: Permanent means of access to machinery - fixed ladders"
A wind turbine would be covered by the latter as it's a Machine under SM(S)R, but neither standard is mandatory and they disagree over the details of the cage and the use of PFPE. The Regulations are broken - due to an oversight the only place in law that permanent ladders was mentioned was revoked without being replaced. Your specific issue is the hottest topic I'm working on within the UK WE sector (prompted by the BWEA's new guidance on lifts and the Scottish fatality) and I've got a detailed article due out in HSW that covers the problems.
Email me if you want to chat.
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Posted By steve e ashton Be aware also there has been a recent caution about a fixed rail vertical fall arrest system i.e. equipment not stopping a fall within specified distances or not at all. Not, I must emphasise, 'latchways' equipment - but there are other suppliers out there. See: http://www.hse.gov.uk/falls/fixedrail011007.htmSteve
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Posted By Garry Homer
As I was once told - hooped ladders alone serve only to contain the individual who may fall within the hoop area. Still a bloody mess on the floor though.
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Posted By Barry Cooper
What about the requirement to provide a platform every 6 metres?
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Posted By Ian_P
The 6 metre rule comes from the acop of regulation 13 of the welfare regulations (Workplace (Health, Safety and Welfare)
Regulations 1992).
This regulation, however, was revoked by the Work at Height Regulations 2005.
I agree with Kenneth, 'rr258' is an excellent document on the subject and is well worth reading. Besides pointing out the legislative requirements of fixed ladder fall protection it goes some way to argue the effectiveness of these requirements.
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